# To nip this nonsense in the buttocks....

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by NokTang, May 26, 2018.

1. NokTang, Jun 13, 2018

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Not sure what that means...but any help on this \$5000.usd math would be much appreciated.

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2. yacraps, Jun 13, 2018

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I would be imaging she has on a nurses hat ..

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3. Twelve4s, Jun 13, 2018

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\$5 hard eight, 9 to 1

First hit = \$45 + \$5 = \$50

Second hit = \$450 + \$50 = \$500

Third hit = \$4500 + \$500 = \$5,000

Easy Peasy, happens all the time. Try it, you’ll like it.

Also, don’t forget to make it a two way. The dealers will love you.

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4. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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James is saying \$5 straight hard 8
\$5 becomes \$50 with hit, and is parlayed
\$50 becomes \$500 with hit and is parlayed
\$500 becomes \$5000'with third hit.
Odds of success (random dice) 11X11X11= 1 in 1331
You would lose 331 \$5 units for each successful run, that's \$1655.
So on average \$6655 to win 5000. Better have your "A" game.

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5. Ninetyfouracross, Jun 13, 2018

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So why compare it if you have no experience with DI, sex trafficking is completely different. You're not hurting anybody and you're not forcing anybody against their will. Nok tang I really think you are taking this whole DI thing to another level where it shouldn't be..

People who you say are scammers for charging money on craps lessons are not breaking federal and international laws. The instructors practice and apply what they teach, if people want to pay money morey power to them, but those people paying are not hurting anybody in the process. I've wasted my time explaining this to you.
Why do you not listen?

Here in America we have a saying "Don't knock it until you try it".

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6. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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You said that but you do not / cannot possibly believe that
believing that could very possibly be the reason you don't win
and have been reduced to playing the bubble
Oh but not at all
my strategy provides for consistent wins in the event of losing sessions
which are never large or frequent , the large win simply allows me to recoup in very few rolls
If you understood more about craps and the strategies I utilize
you would see it in a moments time
EXACTLY , Now you got it up to a point ,
This is a press to win strategy , not for the faint of heart
not everyone has THE COURAGE to play this way ,
Those who are skilled and have that courage are more able to win
The majority of people who play and lose
lose generally because , "THEY NEVER HAVE ENOUGH MONEY"
on the table
Again , NOT CORRECT
The strategies result in consistent wins the result is
consistent wins with the large wins being a bonus
The smaller wins are there to set up the bonus wins such as the
TRIPLE HARD WAYS
This is a total mis characterization on your part
The triple hard ways are \$5 each The resulting win is \$5,000
I don't have to hit it but once to be net positive on that bet
or totally for some time to come
Nope wrong again the reality is , "I ONLY NEED ONE BIG SCORE"
should the need arise , "IT DOESN"T"
The consistent trend wins , keep me ahead
The TRIPLE HARD WAYS are a bonus and generally played with house money
I am sure you would love to believe that and I DO KNOW
you would dearly love to have everybody believe that
As I have said , many times before ,
YOU TALK OUT OF YOUR ASS , and yet your mouth still moves

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7. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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WOW , this absolutely takes the KOOK I mean cake

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8. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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Think about it , bet \$5 , parlay twice roll it the third time
How much would you have at that point

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9. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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You sound like a half assed attorney trying to
set up a human trafficking case
Search elsewhere

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10. TDVegas, Jun 13, 2018

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Even if he did play 12-20 times a year...ok, ok, let's give him 20 times. Based on your calculation...it could take him 66 years before he hits a 2x parlay one time.

In what universe is once every 66 years "consistent wins"....?

Hell, crack it down to once every 35 years. Consistent? LOL.
Ronald Reagan was president the last time he won that bet. 1st term.

In any event, parlaying bets and increasing wagers and adding more bets are NOT "consistent winning" strategies....they are big score strategies. Hoping for one win to overcome many smaller losses or break even sessions.
Simply not true. Your own words attest to that in your strategy outline. I don't have an issue with the intent of the strategy...but it's not a consistent win type play. Period. Everyone here knows that...even your backers.

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11. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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Human trafficking and scams , take a break dude
GUD DIY MITE

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12. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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This A game thing is something I preach all the time
I tell people you find that A game on your table at home then
you take it to the casino because you won't find it on their tables

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13. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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A PUN don't , "NOK" it tang

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14. Ninetyfouracross, Jun 13, 2018

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It's ridiculous

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15. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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TDV
You are trying way too hard
All of this math you keep throwing out there to disprove
something you know nothing about is getting you nowhere
The math proves only what might happen , it doesn't say what
WILL HAPPEN , you put way too much faith in the math
IT"S ONLY NUMBERS , the math is not a law
You let it dictate the way you play and that forces you into
THE WRONG GAME
Your cover three numbers BS is what causes you and others to lose
You lose because you NEVER have enough money on the table

I have to go now I will read your response when we get back
We are heading out again as soon as I am done with my
doctors appointment
Glenn has gone to calling these little trips as
"THE VAULT ASSAULT"

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16. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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My numbers are for "random" dice. Can't give you a number for MR Halls chances, because I don't know how "unrandom" he throws. By his legend, I'd say he could pull it off, every other trip or so. You'll have to ask him, what his frequency is, I'm sure he could "ball-park" it for you.

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17. Ninetyfouracross, Jun 13, 2018

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"Ding" "ding" "ding", the cows come home

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18. The Midnight Skulker, Jun 13, 2018

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"Dabble" is spot on. I became interested in the concept a couple decades ago when it was discussed on the rec.gambling.craps newsgroup. I was using a "signature" grip at the time and adapted the delivery to introduce influence...with some very marginal success. I instantly realized I should not quit my day job, but I have continued to think of improvements in my spare time. Nevertheless, from the beginning to the present my philosophy has been one of what has been called Pascal's Wager: might help; can't hurt.
I approach variance from the opposite direction, more like a contract with the Devil. "I see you are attempting to influence the dice. I can grant you that skill beyond your wildest dreams. Of course you will require some proof of my power to do so, so go forth and shoot a few hands. Then we can negotiate terms for your continued success."

...or we can accept without question the connection between intent and result, as in the following documentary,

I have taken the liberty of highlighting the key word above. Ever heard of iron pyrite?

Clearly a good hand thrown while attempting to throw a good hand, or a tale of a good hand thrown by a DI, is encouraging, but is by no means convincing to any but the gullible. Not all, nor maybe even any, of your "Group of Insiders" have a negative outlook, only a critical one.

[Cue "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"]
... and pay no attention the B. F. Skinner's pigeon experiment.

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19. TDVegas, Jun 13, 2018

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Well, which is it duck boy? You're like Switzerland.
I understand you don't want to call out your mentor, King James....but at least be consistent.

His play, his strategy is devised for a big score....not consistent wins. He's not going to put you outside his "circle of trust" if you disagree. I will also not include you in the "group of insiders" if you agree with us.

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