Three back to back 12's pay player 2775.00

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  1. Chance, Dec 4, 2012

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    I was in Lake Charles playing craps this weekend and walked up to a table started playing and one of the players had a $50.00 horn bet. The bet won $375.00 then it was pushed to $125.00 on next roll $937.00. The player pushed the bet to $200.00 next roll $1500.00.

    Are there any DI's out there with a strategy to play the prop bets? If so whats a good strategy? What kind of bankroll do you use with this strategy? I just purchased a 12' custom table waiting to be delivered before Christmas. I plan on practicing dice control , but don't have a real strategy.

    Thanks in advance for any insight.
     
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  2. cmonhard8, Jan 9, 2013

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    Sure, if your timing is right and you are willing to increase the bet, and if the table has 5 high/lows in a row, you could make around $80,000....Yes $80,000....Ok, I know it sounds so simple, and yes odds don't love those bets, but....Here's how it would work:

    Starting with $5 each on the high/low and assuming 5 times in a row for high/lows....

    $5 each= $145 press 62% of winning
    $50 each= $1450 press 20% of winning
    $200 each= $5800 press 10% of winning
    $500 each =$14500 press 21% of winning
    $2000 each=$58000
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    $79,895

    Yes, I've seen 5 times in a row...I talked to a few workers at craps tables, and the most they've seen in 5 times in a row....I've seen 5 out of 6 high/lows in a row.....Ofcourse how often does this happen is the MAIN issue...If you keep throwing $5 on each and it doesn't hit, that $10 adds up in a hurry if no one is rolling those..
    From a strategy point of view, some count to around 15 rolls WITHOUT a 'craps' to start betting them, since stats are still stats, and could be considered more due.......

    The girl who rolled the 5 high/lows in a row set her dice to show 2's on top and 1's in front...
     
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  3. basicstrategy777, Jan 9, 2013

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    They won't let you bet that much.

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  4. cmonhard8, Jan 9, 2013

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    The girl threw from the end of the table, definitely setting the dice each time, it usually hit the carpet only once before bouncing off the wall....I believe it was 3-12's and 2-2's....one guy had several hundred on the craps portion(I believe he was all on the horns and was making over $1000 each time on 3 consecutive rolls...Definitely made a profit, as his stack was large...

    The joke was he threw the table/crew about 10 bucks and left....
     
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  5. eagledice, Jan 9, 2013

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    What is the limit on a progressive horn bet like this?

    I'm guessing that if I played a $1 on say the 12, hit it then parlayed the $30 and hit it a second time for $900, then am I able to press the the $900 as the 3rd and final parlay?


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  6. basicstrategy777, Jan 9, 2013

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    Each casino would have a different policy.

    I doubt if any would allow themselves to be subject to an 90,000 dollar loss on one roll.

    I asked foxwoods a long time ago what they would take as a max bet on 2/12...if I remember correctly they said 900.

    I'll be going to the Sun for a couple of days, next week....I'll ask them and let you know what they say; a dealer there works with me when I teach.

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  7. cmonhard8, Jan 9, 2013

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    Table limit can be a relative term...If the table maximum is $10,000, and you make a pass line bet of $10,000 you can still make odds bets by the standard rules. If the table odds are 5x, then you can make a $50,000 odds bet in addition to your $10,000 pass line bet. This means you’ve got 6x the table maximum on the table at once (and even more depending on your table odds.)

    Now ofcourse I know you can't add odds to proposition bets, but it shows that a table limit doesn't prevent someone from placing well above that limit on any one roll of the dice..
     
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  8. eagledice, Jan 10, 2013

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    Thanks for the info. Looking forward to your answer.

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  9. basicstrategy777, Jan 10, 2013

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    If you play at a table with a 10,000 maximum bet, I guarantee you cannot make a 10,000 bet on the 2 or 12.

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  10. basicstrategy777, Jan 16, 2013

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    ED....( that's EagleDice )

    The policy at the Sun is you cannot win more than 15,000 on center table bets; This means the 2/12 has a max bet of 500.

    With the posted 3000 max bet and 5 x max odds, however.,.....you can make a PL bet for 3k and take 15k behind.

    My trip was uneventful....I played for 2 sessions....first one I left up 25....second one I was down 25. Comped suite and dinner and good time made it a good trip.

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  11. cmonhard8, Jan 16, 2013

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    Yeah, also read an article where a guy said he would try to put the $5000 on a hardway, but they would make him take down $4400 of it, so he was able to keep up to $600 on a hardway bet...I'd assume that would be on the proposition bets as well...

    Ofcourse the higher the table limit could also determine the amount allowed to win on a proposition bet....The high stakes tables, as they call them, may have higher limits(where the millionaires play).....I recall there was a casino who had no table limits, and a guy won around $8.5 million, then they had to put back the limits... The prop wagers may have helped some of those winnings along, as perhaps there weren't limits on those either....

    $600 x 30=$18000 for one roll of the dice, hmm, that would be a fun roll.....


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  12. cmonhard8, Nov 13, 2013

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    2 questions:

    1. What is the highest amount that you ever had on a proposition bet? aka, 2,3,11,12, horn....

    2. What is the largest amount that you ever won on a proposition bet?
     
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  13. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 13, 2013

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    When front side I will frequently use Eddie's Hardway Parlay Method. (See http://midnightskulker.casinocitytimes.com/article/eddies-hardway-parlay-method-1452.) I have hit the triple once and so the largest amount that I have ever won on a prop is $700 when a shooter made three consecutive hard 4's. (I use the method on 4 and 10 as well as on 6 and 8.) The highest amount that I have ever bet on a prop is a two-way hard way, black and green, which I have done multiple times using Eddie's method. The one time I won at that level I could not progress to purple and black because of the table limit.
     
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  14. eagledice, Nov 13, 2013

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    I generally place a $1.00 on all hardways, working on the comeout. I use the hardway set, 8h on top,4h facing. If I hit them I always parlay them to $8 or $10. A second hit, say on the 6/8, I will take $75 and leave $25 hopeing that a 3rd hardway will hit. Generally not. Doubles do happen tripples very seldom. I look at it as a $1 payoff for $75 on the 6/8.

    Regarding the 4/10hardway, I parlay the $1 to $8, second hit take $50, toss a buck and make it $15 for a hard 4 or 10.

    So for my $4 dollar hardway bet I am wishing for any 2 back to back for a payday of $50 or $75. Its a 'fun" bet. I do take craps betting serious but you do need to have a 'holy cow it hit' bet out there somewhere.

    A few months back at Windsor, hit the hard 10, 5 times in a row. Sure wished I saw it coming. ha ha ha. On the third Hit I raised it to $25 and took $ $90.00. My thoughts were wow thats a first. I was thinking that I made $140 off 3 hits and it was a successful parlay. Several tosses later it came a 4th time for a $175 payout. Hmmm for a second wondered do I press the $25 to $50 or $75 or maybe $100. Of course not. More than 4 times, mathematically impossible. Leave it at $25. Bingo number 5 hit paying $175 a second time. No regrets. but after that second $175 payoff ' 7'ed out on the very next toss. Always do, since you just took your head out of the game and lost your concentration. Thinking I should have parlayes the entire 4th hit. Heck we all do that afterwards. It was a great hand.

    I guess that statistically I will hit 4 or 5 or maybe even 6 hardways in a row again somewherein the future. Can't plan on it. When it does happen we usually are shocked but it sure is fun.


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  15. basicstrategy777, Nov 13, 2013

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    Nice score.

    You probably won't see that again in your lifetime......but you might. The odds of rolling a hard 10 5 times in a row are astronomical.

    Haven't seen you for a while, good to see you back.

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  16. cmonhard8, Nov 18, 2013

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    Opinions or Strategies on covering the corresponding easy number(s) with a sufficient place bet....

    With these 'hard way press' methods, you could literally have $500 on a hard 8...So if you had the money, would you be placing the easy 8 for $500, to cover the possibility that a few easy 8's could show up before another hard 8?

    I know some are against covering or protecting certain wagers, because it exposes more and more money on the table if a 7 would show up..... I can see both sides of the argument, and ofcourse the way the dice rolls determine what was right...
     
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  17. VegasFan2010, Dec 2, 2013

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    Saw a guy bet $5 yo every come out. He did a full press if he won. He never got the second until he ended up with three in a row.
    $5 then $80 then $200 bet. Nice pay day when it happens.
     
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