Those useless tests they use to disprove DI

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  1. Dave G Ct, Jan 11, 2020

    Dave G Ct

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    I am sure you have all seen them. A pair of dice.is dropped 12" from the table. A mechanical arm tosses a set of dice with exactly the same amount of force. Dice are slid down a ramp and the results are recorded.
    What does this tell you? A few people have a little to much time on their hands lol.

    Exactly for these tests prove nothing . Why? For the same reason that a DI. does not toss a pair of dice that way. So what is lacking in these tests? Well for one there is no tourque being created in the toss. When I shoot either UH or OH from the table surface I use a certain amount of tourque. How else can you land the dice 24" out from the backwall and your next hit hits 12" and the third hit lands right before the bottom lip. It's the only way! Just try throwing the dice without tourque hitting 24" or even 30* from the backwall. No way your dice even gets to the backwall.
    How is this done? With smoke and mirrors lol. No the old answer " If I told you I would have to kill you"
     
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    Those useless tests they use to disprove DI:

    Here are my two:

    1. The standard introduction used teaching probability to students in grade school. high school and college. What could be more random than tossing dice? Balanced dice have six equally weighted faces, so each face has a 1/6 probability of showing at rest.

    Yes, we all know they start this lecture with the coin, but my point is they proceed on to the dice next, only because it is a bit more complicated than the coin.

    They point out that it is UNDERSTOOD that both these processes are RANDOM, meaning NOT under our control.


    2. Regardless of whether the person tossing the dice has a soft touch or is a chucker, the movement of the dice and the contact they make with any and all obstacles they hit makes the idea of dice control unbelievable, doesn't it? Please do not bring up some sort of difference between "controlling" the dice and "influencing" them, because both terms mean the same thing, and neither is possible.
     
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    I still set for the 7 on comeout. Cant hurt.
     
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  4. Dave G Ct, Jun 14, 2020

    Dave G Ct

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    How you set them may play a part
     
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    setting cant hurt :)
     
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    Good to see the 'dice machine', and hear SuperRick's voice again.

    I've been called the 'Dice Machine' many times.
     
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    Boy, this guy's a real "7 magnet ".
     
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    Chi square makes the call. DI’s 1, Skeptics 0
     
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    Show us a chi square. :cool: You know, just "run it down" for us. :)
     
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