There are a lot of losers in Baltimore

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  1. Liman

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    its only a matter of time, if they get away with it, look for it soon to be in other casinos, just another way to squeeze out a few extra dollars.
    to me, it shows the casinos are hurting, despite what people who think otherwise.
    first hotel fees, then parking charges, now take out fees, its only a matter or time before the public restrooms in the casinos charge a 50 cent water surcharge if you want to use their facilities.
    its coming.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they soon start charging for amenities in rooms, like shampoo, soap,.......nickel and dime, Im also guessing they feel these little fees wont keep the average person from coming back. But added up, 100s of thousands or patrons, millions of patrons, it just pays more bills for them.

    Im not too thrilled with station casino offers for me, I don't think they like outsiders, but now they seem to be sticking it to the locals a bit also.
    this is only the beginning. Wonder when they will charge for parking.
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Jul 19, 2017

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    I used to enjoy the challenge of the craps table, and spent a lot of sessions playing a number of different ways before settling on what has for me been a "best" standard method of play. This has more to do with luck than anything else, but learning how to protect/conserve playing funds has been a good experience.

    My play has really diminished over the past couple of years, mostly because the majority of sessions are more aggravating than enjoyable - sometimes the commute, sometimes the people, sometimes the results. I guess it's getting old after a bunch of years of going in at every opportunity. Haven't been in for going on 3 weeks now. I'm going to see how long it takes before the urge to play drags me back in. Haven't felt it in a while.
     
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  3. Twelve4s, Jul 19, 2017

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    I guess this means you won't be giving up your day job?
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Jul 19, 2017

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    I'd have to look at my spreadsheet which is on one of the home computers, but I remember calculating the per session win amount a few years ago.

    Without the numbers in front of me I am just guessing, but I'm coming up with about $3 profit per session.

    While not too impressive, this includes a LOT of losing sessions. You've got to be thankful for that occasional big winner.
     
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  5. HornHiYo, Jul 19, 2017

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    Good luck with that. Casinos are greedy, cold experts at statistics. Me thinks they have already done and accepted a study that shows a small percent of customers will bitch and stop ordering to-go food (at least for awhile) but a much larger percentage will pay the four-bucks and that four bucks times many more than off sets the lost customer and in fact equates to more profit.
    Reminds me of when many casinos shafted blackjack players with 6/5 payouts on blackjack and others have added fees for parking and valet services for non-guests (locals) Still parking lots and 5/6 blackjack tables remain busy. So many customers are such sheep. Give 'em an ear full TDV!
     
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  6. TDVegas, Jul 19, 2017

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    It's great that you have kept it close. I fully attribute that to your betting strategy. Simple. Straightforward. Boring, but effective. It is possible to keep it close.
     
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  7. TDVegas, Jul 19, 2017

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    I will. As you say...not hopeful. Doesn't hurt to try.
     
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  8. HornHiYo, Jul 19, 2017

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    The world is the casino's play ground and with so many sheep casinos can't seem to fleece the flock fast enough AND they get away with it.
    Too many rationalizers willing to pay outrages charges just to play. Goes like this: "I guess I don't mind the $4 take out charge after all as a guest I get free parking and I got an internet room deal for only $89 a night!" All logic of course after the sting of the resort fee is either long forgotten or has yet to be seen.
    Yet we shall return.
     
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  9. Twelve4s, Jul 19, 2017

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    I'm waiting for someone to install a bubble at the laundromat. Seems like the perfect location.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Jul 19, 2017

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    and I agree. Too many are willing to just pay these fees and accept it as part of the deal. I don't. I have other take out options...many options. Don't need to pay $4 extra for that.

    The word "fee" used to have legitimate connotations. Now it's just a word that means "I need to pick your pocket for more"
     
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    repeat visitors to vegas and locals probably will just go to another place, but most visitors will curse and say, what fucking nerve, and for the 4 or 5 days they are there, will just chalk it up as the vegas experience.

    ya think about things and I sometimes question my own actions.
    Ill gamble with 1000 dollar buy in at a table, 2-4 times a day if Im in the mood, winning, losing, if I want to play, but Im so pissed off that when I go down in the morning I have to pay 3.50 for a small cup of coffee at any of the big casino hotels. (A reason I choose to stay off the strip now, not only the coffee, but everything is inflated on the strip, it isn't right and the casinos get it so they just don't give a shit)
     
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  12. superrick, Jul 19, 2017

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    You got that right the first time I ran into any type of resort fees was on Longboat key where they had the one Tennis Academy I had rented a condo for a weekend of sailboat racing and doing some business with some of my customers and that was back in the 80's when I went to check out they hit me with their resort fees and I refused to pay them.

    I told them to please have me arrested I would love to see it in a court of law and that they were embarrassing me in front of my clients. Needless to say, I didn't pay their new resort fees! I was surprised to see them popping back up and I do not go to the strip because of their parking fees!

    I love the one commercial with a little girl telling her customers about all of her extra fees when she is selling lemonade to them. Then you also have the one with the baby sitter and her fees after the fact!

    This is the first time I heard anything about a take-out fee!
     
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  13. superrick, Jul 19, 2017

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    I'm with you on that one!!!!!!!
     
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  14. HornHiYo, Jul 19, 2017

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    A Station Casino Offer just came in for Gvr, RR and Palms and right near the top is a note: Parking is always free!
    To get the deal just type ONLINEDEAL in the offer code box. A quick check shows average night rate for RR in September is $175.55 plus (mentioned in fine print) the $39.95 daily resort fee. So the big special is $214.95 average nightly Plus tax, but remember.... your parking is always free.
    Also no mention of an across the board $4 charge for taking food to your room. Those and other little cute coupon tricks are learned at checkout. My last surprise at Palms was they wouldn't take a Las Vegas Advisor coupon for $50 off total bill at Palms because the on-line rate is considered a special rate and no other coupon can be used during a special rate stay. I won't be going back! Phuck 'em!
     
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  15. TDVegas, Jul 19, 2017

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    Yep. I said phuck em today. Played, won a few bucks. Left. Instead of getting their rip off take out...I went across the way to Lazy Dog. Picked up a chili aioli pizza with fennel sausage and onion. While waiting, the manager came over and gave me a card for a free appetizer or dessert. Shook my hand, "thanks for coming in".

    That's what you call awesome customer service. Didn't have to give me anything. Even while I waited...he asked if I wanted a soft drink. Awesome.

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  16. HornHiYo, Jul 19, 2017

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    That is awesome and a great example of one needing business and the other not.
    Speaking of customer appreciation, good food and booze, have you tried BJ's Restaurant and Brew House across the street from Red Rock?
     
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    Yes...many times. Excellent place. I was drinking their...nutty brown? I have no allegiance to RR restaurants and certainly will not pay $4 for a take out order. If they need to cut back on their gambling comps to cover their styrofoam costs...then fucking do it. Don't saddle me with your bullshit.

    Lazy Dog is always busy too. They are the last guys that need to give out free appetizers and stuff....just awesome ownership and management.
     
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  18. superrick, Jul 19, 2017

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    Look, there are plenty of good deals on rooms around Vegas if you look on line at any of the casinos you can find one that will fit your budget! Don't get ripped off by staying on a strip properties. You should always rent a car when in Vegas just so you can move around and if you have a good win get out of the casino you are playing at.

    If you have any question you can always Pm me about where you will find a good game and a good room rate!
     
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  19. TDVegas, Jul 20, 2017

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    One of the reasons locals don't really go to the Strip that much is that EVERYTHING has attached "tourist pricing"....and they know it.

    Drinks, restaurants, food of any kind, gifts, rooms, parking...everything for sale is cranked up verses what you would get off strip or near your home.

    I go maybe once every 2-3 months to see a show or see what's new or just to people watch along the Strip during the warm weather.

    Except for a special occasion....you won't find me eating at a Steakhouse on the strip. You can pretty easily drop $300 for two....same thing is $150 off strip.

    $23.00 for a glass of Merlot at Aria?....jeez.
     
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    the thing is, 99% of the people visiting vegas don't have cars. they are forced to use the rip off cabbies(wellnow they can switch to uber/lyft)
    cab rides are super expensive, so most people choose to stay and eat in and around walking distance from their rooms on the strip. The hotels on the strip know this, so why should they offer any kind of incentive.
    No incentives for the once or twice a year visitors.
    and that's only part of it, the lines at some strip hotels are always ridiculous. they are mega hotels, with 1500 rooms, and lines during busy times are discouraging.

    the only good thing about the strip, is that you have the selection of casinos all within walking distance if you choose. As a East coaster, Ive only stayed outside the strip 2 times, and soon a third time.
    It takes a bit more to go to another casino, but there aren't the crowds at restaurants, not close, (weekends are rough anywhere)
    Im talking as an outsider, not someone that lives there like rick or TDV, they become immune to that shit because they simply don't go to most strip hotels.

    but my current experience, is that station hotels outside of vegas, are not giving any breaks in prices.
    20-40 dollars a night in hotel fees, and another 20-30 dollars a night in taxes.
    this is a problem if Im looking to save a couple of hundred. As of right now, I can get a room in venetian, for less than green valley. And I stayed in green valleys executive rooms, a step above regular rooms, while nice, it doesn't compare on any level to the standard room in venetian.
     
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