The Worst in 44 Years

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by betwthelines, May 14, 2016.


  1. Liman

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    Ive done nothing.

    where I grew up in queens, I had 2 friends who ventured off into the casino industry back in the late 70s. One I lost touch with, one I stayed in touch with.
    I had another friend of my bil and sil that became an attorney and worked on the legal staff of a casino, one which no way will I mention.
    I spoke with them time to time. Interesting stuff.

    What I always took from my Pit Boss/now retired queens friend(vegas for 15 years, then moved on to another casino), any equipment that malfunctions off the normal expected results of that equipment can be a devastating loss for any casino.
    It doesn't take long for any equipment that fails to produce accurate results to be exploited by saavy gamblers.

    why should dice be any different.
    Bad dice lose that randomness, the casino loses its built in edge.
    They designed the game around the total randomness of dice rolls. They design tables around the same expectation of randomness of dice rolls.
    Bad dice can only hurt them in the long run.
    First, if sevens just keep turning up every other roll, saavy players will jump on it. Even me, the most stubborn right player has gone dark when I see nothing but sevens on a cruddy day.
    Second, right players will get frustrated and leave. And may not come back.
    That is very bad for business, not to mention so many people blasting their casino online further hurting business.
    casinos wont make money without people inside gambling.
     
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  2. Liman

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    if a casino was ever caught red handed using bad dice, on purpose, I cant even imagine the class action suit against them.
    10s of thousands of people could sign up and file.

    ofcourse, all the main posters here of biased dice have never taken legal action against any casino, because they cant prove it. Its just another theory, similar to dice influencing, and without proof, it means little, even if it is true.

    why they insist on telling us online the dice are bad, the dice are bad, they should focus their energy on initiating a lawsuit against crooked casinos.
     
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  3. Twelve4s, May 17, 2016

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    I love it! "This is your brain on craps!" I can see the dice sizzling in the frying pan! Fried dice instead of fried rice.
     
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  4. wonko33, May 17, 2016

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    friends in the casino business? Now you have done it, you will be labeled as a casino informant by SR and Harley
     
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  5. eagleeye2, May 17, 2016

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    Liman,

    Again, your Brain must be on Vacation!

    There is No Law in Las Vegas, nor most of the World ( Only the States of Colorado & Ohio, Which State that "Casino Dice Must Be Balanced", but do not enforce it ) that REQUIRES BALANCED DICE for ""In Casino Play"":.

    Thus No One could file a Class Action Lawsuit like you claim in your post, PERIOD!

    As for Ohio, one lone sole did take the Cleveland Horseshoe Casino (Run by MGM Casino's) to task over Biased Dice. Bottom line, Casino was fined $200 & promptly FIRED the Casino Dealer who agreed that Biased Dice were in Play, when that inspector was called in to review the complaint filed..

    You fail to see that Casino's Pay Significant Revenue to Communities & States which they operate in & this carries significant weight, when compared to an individual who files a complaint, as evidenced in the ONE Ohio Incident!

    Sorry folks, but that is how the SHIT STACKS UP!

    eagleeye2
     
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  6. TDVegas, May 17, 2016

    TDVegas

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    There is a specific provision on the books in Nevada that says casinos must provide a fair game (random) with dice included in the wording.

    When someone says there's no law on dice...they are talking out their @ss.
     
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  7. eagleeye2, May 17, 2016

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    TDV,

    Obscure Laws that Have Never been enforced, (like you insinuate, but do not publish here ~ Kindly Post It here), mean nothing, DUH...

    eagleeye2
     
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  8. TDVegas, May 17, 2016

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    I never made a statement on enforcement. That's nothing but conjecture, heresay and usually from degenerate gamblers who feel they aren't getting satisfaction.

    The law is there, on the books. As far as dice, casinos must provide a fair game.
     
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  9. eagleeye2, May 17, 2016

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    Liman,

    I replied to your post stating ~ "".. , the dice are bad, they should focus their energy on initiating a lawsuit against crooked casinos.""

    With: There is No Law in Las Vegas, nor most of the World ( Only the States of Colorado & Ohio, Which State that "Casino Dice Must Be Balanced", but do not enforce it ) that REQUIRES BALANCED DICE for ""In Casino Play"":.

    Thus No One could file a Class Action Lawsuit like you claim in your post, PERIOD!

    Also, I stated: Liman,

    Again, your Brain must be on Vacation! Not the rhetoric I applied to several others here & you repeated.

    Lastly, Your statement """biased dice favor most experienced craps players."" Is 100% INCORRECT!

    Try to comprehend the following, it will open your mind:

    Set your Paradigm's aside, you have proven that you can comprehend the following, within your previous post.

    Study the Table I Provide in the Link below: I used an example of 100 throws, 60 of which were Normal despite BIASED DICE IN PLAY! (Yes B in the Table) But the other Highly Biased Rolls (from one dice) were all 1's!

    Now, that 6th Grader can comprehend that those 40 can only Match with #'s from 1 to 6, (Yes the only #'s on the second die) thereby Producing the Increased Rate of 7's...

    LINK:

    Mathematics states that any unbalance in CRAPS dice will produce more 7's, than the theoretical # obtained when shooting BALANCED DICE.

    Proof Follows:

    http://www.crapsforum.com/threads/american-craps-academy-aca-2016.12648/page-14

    eagleeye2
     
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  10. eagleeye2, May 17, 2016

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    Yes, TDV, it is a DAM Shame that More & More
    Casino's are employing BIASED Dice to increase their $$$ TAKE @ CRAPS!

    eagleeye2
     
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  11. OffAndOn, May 17, 2016

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  12. TDVegas, May 17, 2016

    TDVegas

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    I don't know. Harley says he can beat em. If he can, anyone can. Minus you of course.
     
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  13. OffAndOn, May 17, 2016

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    Liman, OAP, 7Uwin - I think EE2 is cat-fishing you; pointless to argue...I can just imagine a bunch of guys in a frat house laughing at your earnest (and obviously correct) replies
     
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  14. TDVegas, May 17, 2016

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    I wouldn't doubt it.
     
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  15. wonko33, May 17, 2016

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    these is a forum function available for that. Works great even if it makes some threads a bit confusing
     
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  16. wonko33, May 17, 2016

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    Agreed

    There are no laws that literally say I can't hit you on the head with a coat-hanger, I'm pretty sure I might find some cunning district attorney that can make a case for assault though .
     
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  17. eagleeye2, May 17, 2016

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    OffAndOn,

    You need to Engage your Brain a bit to see who is correct!

    eagleeye2
     
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  18. Liman

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    well, if that is the case, I hope hes enjoying himself.
    I always thought the name callers and insulters are affiliated with other boards or schools that object to the opinions here and just try to stir up some shit.
     
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  19. eagleeye2, May 17, 2016

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    wonko33,

    Yes, wonko33, But it is a DAM Shame that More & More
    Casino's are employing BIASED Dice to increase their $$$ TAKE @ CRAPS!

    eagleeye2
     
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  20. OffAndOn, May 17, 2016

    OffAndOn

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    yeah... nobody could be that stupid for real, has to be fake
     
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