The Worst in 44 Years

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by betwthelines, May 14, 2016.

  1. Craps Poopshoot, May 14, 2016

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    Yep. And if the rolls are short then you have to hedge the Yo and the Sevens for every DP and DC bet you try and get up. Oddly enough, if you play the hedges right to your base bet amount, you can win more this way than if the dice where unbiased. It is still a tough grind to play like this, and sometimes it just gets silly with the Yo's and sevens. Typically if I can get to another table or casino I will opt for that, but if it is some remote Tribal Casino then you sort of stuck with what you got...or you can elect to not play.
     
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  2. lostinspace, May 14, 2016

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    Craps on come-out rolls by successive shooters is a money maker!
    Like when those 5-1's and 5-3's are thrown by everybody that grabs the dice.

    Not sure I've seen a PSO go that long, have seen PSO go around the table twice, and more than once.
     
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    OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Don't know about all that, however when these runs of PSO take place all day long, it's definitely bad karma and one would be better of at home cutting the grass (hell! if the karma was that bad, even the neighbors grass).
     
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    so you KNOW 7s are coming at a high rate and you cant figure out how to win?..............I'll take "idiots" for $2000 please Alex.....

    Bias dice = players advantage
    Fair dice = house advantage
     
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    I think when they run brutal wait until the shooter has an outside point and lay it. if they make the point back off and wait for a new shooter ......Or like what was posted above it's time to go home and cut the grass...
     
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  7. eagleeye2, May 15, 2016

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    7uwin,

    Good to see some coming my way, as months ago, I Posted that One best deals with Biased Dice by betting the don't side, or exiting to another cassino!

    eagleeye2
     
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    Do you think this is in any way an endorsement of your flawed thought?

    That would be like Hillary thinking I'm endorsing her because I posted that I'm pro choice......And I would rather slide down a giant razor blade than endorse or vote for Clinton...
     
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  9. TonyDvegasrules, May 15, 2016

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    If the dice are biased? Then why not just bet any craps, if the seven is appearing so frequently?

    I have scene many strange occurrences at the tables.

    Choppy, hard number every other roll, horn numbers, people hitting 8-9 points in a row etc. If we know what the outcome would be we could all retire and play craps all day
     
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    hee hee hee.....yep.....
     
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  11. Onautopilot, May 15, 2016

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    Nope....there would be no game of bank craps anymore. :)
     
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  12. Bases loaded, May 15, 2016

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    With all this said, I know the 'Tough Craps' player will be back at it as soon as he is able.
     
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  13. TDVegas, May 15, 2016

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    If the dice are biased and you feel the casino(s) isn't taking proper precautions to run a fair game...in effect cheating you because for some reason you can't win by taking advantage of the bias, you only have one course of action---Find a new way to occupy your time. Craps is a no go.

    If you can take advantage...shut up and do so, although that argument is also fraught with unknowns. They might pull another cheat to cheat the guy beating the cheat.

    No one...and I mean no one walks into a business where they know cheating is occurring. That might be a mechanic, accountant, grocery store. The human mind is not that dumb. Or is it?

    Harley continues to walk thru those doors.
     
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  14. Dave G Ct, May 15, 2016

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    First off you lose badly on 3 consecutive shooters LEAVE! Quit banging your head against that same wall. Oh Yea table due to change garbage.
     
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  15. Harley, May 15, 2016

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    Wrong 7uwin - only the House knows the bias for sure on which 2 dice were picked, therefore the House has the Advantage by knowledge as well as mathematical on biased dice (see the OP)

    We were in a Vegas Casino this week where 3 dice were heavy 6/1 and 2 dice were heavy 3/4. How do you know which 2 you or any shooter has !!

    My apologies to BTL for talking about biased dice on his thread, but I cannot let BS falsehoods go without trying to correct them
     
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  16. eagleeye2, May 16, 2016

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    Again, 7uwin's response is reminiscent of that of a Hyena!

    Yep, it further verifies that she is Dumber than a Rock, when it comes to CRAPS!

    eagleeye2
     
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  17. eagleeye2, May 16, 2016

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    Wrong again 7uwin,
    Onautopilot is a Hoot & 1/2...

    For one that feign's knowledge of Mathematics, Onautopilot has verified that he cannot comprehend the 6th Grade Mathematics involved in the following that is Very Important to CRAPS Mathematics!

    ANSWER TO ~ Why do Opposite Sides of Casino Dice Add to "SEVEN"

    I will start with the BASICS:

    ODDS & Casino Pay-Outs (which include the Casino's Take or House Advantage, HA) are Statistically Calculated based upon the assumption that each side of both Dice in Play, has an EQUAL CHANCE of landing FACE UP, when thrown on a Craps Table.

    We then have what are called Fair, Balanced, Perfect, or Straight Dice. These Dice are the ones that one wants to play with, in most instances.

    In the game of Craps, two of these dice are thrown down a Craps Table & the SUM of the #'s appearing on the UP SIDE of each Die, are added together.

    Casino Dice have SIX (6) sides, or Faces, each containing one of the #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6. Which when added together give us the #'s Two (2) to Twelve (12).

    I will dispense with the myriad of numbers & events which one can bet on in Craps, & only state here, that once a POINT has been established, throwing any SEVEN (7) results in all but don't bets being taken down thereby & surrendered to the casino.

    CORRECT ANSWER ~ Casino's Demand that Opposite SIDES of DICE ADD to (7), as with that configuration, whenever any weight Unbalance Occurs, it automatically INCREASES the Frequency of SEVENS that are thrown with those DICE!

    Thus as I have stated, Casino's Do Not Care if DICE are Unbalanced as any unbalance Favors the Casino.

    Verification FOLLOWS:
    ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ THEORETICAL NUMBER SHOWN ON DIE UP FACE
    (A) Die # 1 Random Numbers ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~1 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 2 ~ ~ ~ ~ 3 ~ ~ ~ ~ 4 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 5 ~ ~ ~ 6
    Properly Balanced Die

    (B) Theoretical Dist. 100 Throws ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 10 ~ ~ ~ ~ 10 ~ ~ ~ ~10~ ~ ~ ~10 ~ ~ ~ ~ 10 ~ ~ ~10
    (C) Die # 2 BIASED ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~40
    (D) Example here Heavy 6 Face ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~1 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~2 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~3 ~ ~ ~ ~ 4 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 5 ~ ~ ~ ~6

    In (A) above, we have DIE #1, producing random #'s from 1 to 6 as shown.
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    In (B) above, we have DIE # 2, producing a Highly Biased distribution as shown .

    Applying a bit of mathematics, to the 60 throws shown across (B) above we can NULL them out, leaving 40 #1's in (C) to match with the random #'s shown across (A) above, I.e. #'s 1 to 6.

    This absolutely results in Significantly more SEVENS than would occur if both Dice were Properly Balanced and NOT Weight Biased, as was the Die in (B) above, which produced the hypothetical Distribution (Dist.) shown across (B).

    This INCREASE in 7's results directly from opposite sides of a DIE adding to SEVEN!
    In the example above, More 7's, as, once we NULL them out, there is no longer any ADDITIVE #'s from the 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6, in (D) above. Thus none of the 40 (C) #'s can exceed 7, as we ADD only (1's) to the Random Distribution of #'s 1 to 6, in (A) above.

    This EXACT same INCREASE in (7'S) would occur if the 40 in (C) were attributed to unbalance
    resulting in faces 2, or 3, or 4, or 5, or 6 showing UP, due to HEAVIER Opposite Faces.

    Note: in addition to 7's, we will also have a corresponding increase in the SUM of the 40 EXTRA
    (1)'s added to the #'s 1, 2, 3,4,& 5 left from the Random Distribution, or in this case 2's, 3's, 4's,
    5's & 6's in the example shown above.

    The Casino, however, cares only about the Numerous EXTRA (7's) produced in this Biased Dice Example, as the #7, when thrown, TAKES DOWN all Do Bets on the Table in a throw of the Dice.

    Yes, Casino's Insist that Opposite Sides of a DIE add to SEVEN, as any Weight Unbalance
    whatsoever, favors the Casino, in that MORE than the Statistically Correct # of SEVENS will
    automatically occur, whenever there is a Weight UNBALANCE in the DICE!

    eagleeye2
     
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  18. Titleistguy, May 16, 2016

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    My buddy and I call that a 'pretender table'. The casino's favorite game.

    The don't players get slapped around by naturals, and the right siders get slaughtered by short rolls.

    No good.
     
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    eagleeye2's wires are not wrapped tightly. He's out in space with tin foil hat.

    Fred
     
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    eagleeye2: change your screen name to: sixthgrademath!
     
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