The Worst in 44 Years

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  1. betwthelines, May 14, 2016

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    now i figure, if it gets any at all, this post will get some "oh, that's nothing; one time i saw blah blah blah..." replies from some of you where you go on to say you've seen worse but I'M JUST SAYIN' in 44 years at the bank craps rail i have never seen dice as bad as what i experienced over the course of 3 days earlier this week...

    o, sure, i've said that to (mainly) myself on many occasions over those 44 years but this time it was so bad that it prompted delving the memory banks to critically recollect if have really ever seen worse...conclusion: no. this was as bad as it has ever gotten...

    also i would politely ask that you spare me your -sincere i know- advice that i should-a changed my betting when i experienced "the way the dice were going"...please...i "get" that...i do...but stubbornly do not believe it has any future relevance...also please, PLEASE avoid the "biased dice" can of worms...there are multitudes of threads here where you can find the above 2 topics... i know that your sincere replies in that vein will be extremely difficult to resist for some of you so i will be tolerant but just hope that this thread will not take such tangents...

    as part of my entertainment at craps, i sometimes try to keep track of dice anomalies (ie variance) --usually negative shit-- just for me, in my head, and try to do this in a very conservative manner...an example of this--and i think the only example that i actually posted about on this forum--is that i once witnessed 34 straight shooters going out without making a point and when it came to me to start keeping track i wanted to make sure that i did not overestimate the number that had so gone out before i started to track it...in this case i am pretty sure the number was correct tho it might have been 33 but not 35...

    what i am trying to say above--clumsily and over-wordy as usual--is the below might actually have been worse, although again in this case i don't think so and the numbers are accurate...here are just some of the examples of just how bad the outcomes were this week

    • while it is "relatively" infrequent, the Tough Craps player will sometimes limit himself to getting up on 5 numbers (4 is by far the most common) with his come bets...this week the first 16 times this happened--80 numbers--every single number went out---ZERO won...the total now (and still counting btw) is three numbers won in 19 trials -- 95 numbers
    • also fairly infrequent is, given the TC player's relentless progression tact, having all the come numbers with pressed bets (iow a pretty good so-called roll so far especially for place bettors but when the devil comes so far a---sometimes big-time---loser for the TC player)...in this case, except for one time when it was all 5, it was all 4 numbers...the first 11 times this happened--45 numbers--there were again ZERO hits...and keep in mind that with 4 or 5 numbers up the chances of hitting at least one are heavily in the player's favor...the running total so far for this scenario is 2 wins over 16 trials--65 numbers...now the TC player, who has again just lost his ass, needs to get ready to cringe at the inevitable holler of "nice roll!" ("no, you bleeping moron, it was not a 'nice roll'...it wuzza f**king 7 and i saw what you were betting: you just lost every gawddamn thing you had out there! the rest was all in the past!" mumbles the disgusted TC player to himself [occasionally even out loud]...)
    shake up a bag of marbles with 16 green ones (the average number of dice outcomes given 4 point numbers) and 6 red ones in it...shake up the bag 160 times then pull out one marble --- over 160 trials pull out a total of 155 red ones and 5 green ones...i don't think this happens with bags of marbles but in craps, maybe not quite as extreme as this but something close to it it happens ALL the time! bleepin' bleepin' dice...
    • there were an inordinate number of craps rolls...here my tracking might be off but, if so, only slightly...26 straight shooters rolled at least one craps and possibly the majority more than one craps (that is a "perception", that which of course amongst gamblers is often wildly inaccurate, i did not keep actual track of multiple craps by a shooter)
    • at one point 16 straight shooters went out without making a point...
    it was the WORST dice i have witnessed in 44 years

    tom p


     
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  2. TDVegas, May 14, 2016

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    While likely not as bad as the one you are talking about here....I've had plenty of bad sessions where I'm saying to myself "I can't believe it"...

    "I can't believe the dice are THIS bad"

    6-7-9-7-8-7-4-7-2-3-12-5-7....

    Also, sessions as soon as you get that 2nd come bet placed and you now have 3 numbers going...7. Doesn't flinch. Doesn't throw in an 11. Like clockwork, as soon as that 3rd number is placed..wham. 7 out. No teasing with another number that you don't have. 7.

    Crap.....or craps. Nothing you can do.
     
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    I've seen dice run like this but they are so brutal the don't players get beat as well with come out passline winners.
     
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  4. hartzehn22, May 14, 2016

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    BTlines- just curious. Did this happen at the same casino? 3 days in a row?
     
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  5. betwthelines, May 14, 2016

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    the majority of the time BOTH dark and do players are losing (my as-in-gambling-often-not-standing-up-to-actual-statistical-analysis "perception"), certainly much of the time this is true...

    the main reason for this, i think, is the tendency of do players to press their bets more so than dark siders...were all bets to remain "level"--which rarely if ever occurs--one side or the other would likely be ahead...

    tom p
     
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  6. KokomoJoe4, May 14, 2016

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    Agreed, 95 numbers without a single repeater has to be as bad as it can get, at least until you manage to extend it a little bit further.

    BTL, as you know, things have a way of turning around. Love your aggressive (and tough as nails) play!

    Just for kicks, you should consider letting one or two of the come out winners ride and nix the odds. Worst case is the loss of your starting bet. Other alternative, a 4 for 1 winner.
     
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  7. basicstrategy777, May 14, 2016

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    I think you guys have selective memory.

    777
     
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  8. eagleeye2, May 14, 2016

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  9. betwthelines, May 14, 2016

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    yes. it was 3 fairly lengthy sessions, interrupted by short and long breaks, over 4 days at the local joint...

    as bad as it gets

    tom p
     
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  10. Onautopilot, May 14, 2016

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    Wow, those numbers are off the charts!

    Even considering the 44 years to witness something like that, you could add a zero behind those 44 years, and it would still be unexpected in that time frame.

    One good thing, like after a major earthquake....probably be awhile before another one! :)

    I know Tom, it's not funny!
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, May 14, 2016

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    So you kept doing the same thing over and over and over again....and losing, losing, losing......figuring it's gonna change and the math will kick in.

    You know better.


    [​IMG]

    777
     
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  12. Settingcanthurt, May 14, 2016

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    They owe,.,
     
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    that really sucks tom, big time.

    my problem the past few years, is that whenever I lose without any time at the tables(bad sessions like you described above), I question myself, like, shit, I could have taken a vacation in aruba with the money I just dropped in a day and a half.
    and if I keep thinking like that, it starts to bother me.
    If Im riding winning streaks, and say, hey, cant win all the time, I shake it off and say, ok Ill get em next time.

    so which way did you leave after those sessions?
     
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  14. Harley, May 14, 2016

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    ... and some don't believe me that bad dice usually increases the House Advantage on both sides of the dice ... just saying

    We had a session this week where we charted 100% of the 7s as 3/4s

    BTW, BTL - how can you start a thread about bad dice and say it's not about bad dice o_O
     
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  15. Dave G Ct, May 14, 2016

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    Come on Harley- every 7 out was a 3-4?
     
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  16. KokomoJoe4, May 14, 2016

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    EE,

    Other than by convincing the Tough Craps Player not to play, how do you propose to help him?
     
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  17. TDVegas, May 14, 2016

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    He charted 1 roll. Notice how he conveniently left out the actual name of the casino?

    I knew the bias dice crap would make its way in here even though Tom specifically said keep it out.
     
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  18. KokomoJoe4, May 14, 2016

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    Come to think of it, over half of the seven outs last night were also 3:4's. Usually, they are the least common one I see. At least they work well coming out.
     
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  19. eagleeye2, May 14, 2016

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    Harley,

    100% of one 7 combination is excessive, but could happen. I am a believer that some of the Dice Manufacturers can Produce Dice that Favor any # they choose.

    I am of the firm Belief that this is accomplished by Preferential Cooling the Square Extrusion, Creating Differential Density, to which they can Imprint any of the 6 #'s they wish. Matching #'s adding to 7, makes this a deadly combination against the player, producing 7's at exceptionally high rates & devastating the players bankroll.

    Casino's will Kill the Golden Goose of Craps, if they continue with the Biased Dice Gig, which they currently are doing!

    eagleeye2
     
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  20. Onautopilot, May 14, 2016

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    Did you notice more hard 6 & 8's?
     
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