The Supperick video on how he beats the craps

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  1. eagleeye2, Jun 11, 2018

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    Mssthis,

    Right-On!''

    Only those that don't give a DAM about their Hard Earned $$$, play CRAPS against BIASED DICED!!!

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    Mssthios1 Is that you Harley?

    Sorry, but your power of observation is flawed!

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    ALL.....

    Some HERE choose to Deny the Physics of Gravitational Attraction!

    I fully agree that small differences in Weight of Dice make no difference to their Balance.

    What does make a difference is the location of the Center of MASS of a Die to it's geographic center.

    Die Balance can best be determined by placing a Die in a Dice Balancing Caliper, like that which has been pictured in the Link below & which Midwest gaming in Las Vegas NV, Sells.

    One must have the Die loosely supported & spinning freely, allowing it to come to rest on it's own, when spun rapidly.

    A balanced Die will stop at random positions & not exhibit roll back, etc., like an unbalanced Die will. Additionally, the Unbalanced Die will act like in the link below:



    As Dice are currently Extruded in a Square Shape, the Dice manufacturers, IMHO, have figured out how to create Differential Density in the Extrusion, through Rapidly Cooling one side of that extrusion.

    As die manufacturers can place any PIP on any side they wish (restricted only by the rule that opposite sides of a Die add to 7), a Requirement; as then any Unbalance whatsoever in a Die, results in more then the statistical # of 7's being rolled, yes, some here cannot contemplate that requirement, yet it is there.

    All should Visualize the above & act accordingly, as it's your $$$ in play @ the Craps Table.


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  4. random_roller, Jun 11, 2018

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    I'd love to see a table where 1s (or 6s) are appearing on a die. Can't roll a 2 or 12 -- or complete the ATS -- without 1s (or 6s).
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Jun 11, 2018

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    Next time you’re in Vegas, request the eagleeye tour. While you’re at it, don’t forget to hammer the horn.
     
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    random roller,

    You appear to have it wrong, there will be more 2's & 12's; but the frequency of (7's) has also increased significantly!

    Could the use of 1 & 6 Biased dice be the reason that the All, Small, Tall Payouts have gravitated to 150 & 30 to 1 payouts, yielding a
    Casino Unplayable 20+% Take, from the 7+% originally released with 174 & 34 to 1 Payouts?

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  7. Twelve4s, Jun 11, 2018

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    Is this a psychiatric term? I mean in your case?
     
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  8. random_roller, Jun 11, 2018

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    We've been down this road before. Suffice it to say, more 1s (or 6s) means less of other numbers on a die, but the expected number of 7s (when 2 dice are rolled) remains constant. So if there are more expected 1s on a Die1, then there could be fewer expected 6s on Die 1. Thus, the Die1 1 and Die2 6 combination might be expected to occur slightly more frequently, but the Die1 6 and Die2 1 combination will be expected to occur slightly less frequently. They offset, regardless of which die number is expected to be rolled less frequently. More of one type of 7 (e.g., 6-1) and less of another (e.g., 1-6). You disagreed back then but never showed your math in a spreadsheet so your formulas could be reviewed by others. I posted my work multiple times, as did Fred P. You were wrong then and you're wrong now with respect to the expected number of 7s when 2 dice (regardless of bias, if any) are rolled. Once again, if you're going to make that claim about biased dice resulting in more expected 7s, upload a spreadsheet with your calculations supporting your position so others can review.

    As for the ATS payout, you are partially correct. The payout was originally 175 to 1 on the All All, not 174 to 1. Many (non-Las Vegas) casinos still offer 34 to 1 and 175 to 1 payouts on the Small/Tall and All respectively, including my local casino. IMO, the reason for the reduced ATS payouts is greed, not "biased dice". YMMV on the reason for the change to the ATS payout. .
     
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    Are you being specific, or is your Duh, a Duh in general?

    Duhs can be confusing.
     
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  11. James Hall, Jun 11, 2018

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    :confused: Who are you talking about ???
     
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  12. eagleeye2, Jun 11, 2018

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    random roller,

    Simply open your Eyes & Look Around!

    It appears that the majority of Las Vegas Casino's are employing such DICE!

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    Dam, random roller, you are WRONG AGAIN!

    "As for the ATS payout, you are partially correct. The payout was originally 175 to 1 on the All All, not 174 to 1. Many (non-Las Vegas) casinos still offer 34 to 1 and 175 to 1 payouts on the Small/Tall and All respectively, including my local casino. IMO, the reason for the reduced ATS payouts is greed, not "biased dice". YMMV on the reason for the change to the ATS payout"". .[/QUOTE]

    Casino Odds Were 174 to 1, assuming you take your $1 bet down, you get 175 for 1, DUH!!!

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  14. random_roller, Jun 11, 2018

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    Actually, you are wrong again. It wasn't originally 175 for 1 or 174 to 1 (as you claim), it was 175 TO 1 and the winning bet amount was returned. Period.

    Perhaps you should try paying attention at the casino craps table. When it comes to math, you're...challenged. And I'm being kind. You've proven that time and again. And unlike you, I know what my local casino pays out on the ATS and it's exactly as I had previously described: 34 to 1 on the All Small & All Tall, 175 to 1 on the All All when one (or more) of those bets hits. Assuming $5 across ($5/$5/$5) on the ATS:

    All Small: 34 to 1, plus original bet back = (34 x $5) + $5 = $170 + 5 = $175

    All All: 175 to 1, plus original bet back = (175 x $5) + $5 = $875 + $5 = $880

    By why take my word. From Wizard of Odds, a reliable source, unlike your bullshit:

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/

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    Oh, snap, it says 175 to 1 (or 176 for 1 -- which I have hardly seen), on the All All. How did that happen? You mean Wizard of Odds is wrong and you're right? GMAFB, you're flat out wrong again on this issue.

    What do you say now? Don't even start with your bullshit. I'm in no mood today.
     
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  15. eagleeye2, Jun 11, 2018

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    random, rolller,

    I say both you & your site are wrong, here's the right #'s...

    The Small Bet
    The Small Bet involves rolling a 2,3,4,5, and 6 before the shooter rolls a 7. Players should pay close attention, because it does not mean one of those five numbers has to be rolled; all five numbers must be rolled. Thus, the small bet requires at least 5 rolls, with the 7 never been rolled before a two, a three, a four, a five, and a six are rolled. It is like the parlay bet in horse racing, where several bets must be successful in order to win.

    The house edge on the Small Bet is 34:1, which has a house edge of 7.76%. Some casinos pay only 30:1 on this wager, which increases the house edge to a whopping 18.30%.

    The Tall Bet
    The Tall Bet involved rolling the numbers higher than a seven: the 8,9,10,11, and 12. Once again, all five numbers must be rolled before a 7, if the player is to win this wager.

    The house edge on the Tall Bet is 34:1, which also has a house edge of 7.76%. If a casino has a 30:1 payout on the Tall Bet, the house edge increases to 18.30%.

    The All Bet
    The "All Bet" combines terms of the small and tall bets. In doing so, it creates a wager which has huge real odds. This is the wager which excites players at the table who do not have a stake riding on this bet. The payoff for the All Bet is 174 to 1.

    For this wager to win, then the shooter must roll all the following numbers before rolling a seven: 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11, and 12. The house edge on the 174:1 payout on the All Bet is 7.76%. If the payout is 175 to 1, then the house edge is 7.47%. If the payout is a lousy 150 to 1, then the house edge would be 20.81%.

    The odds of winning the All Bet is about 1 in 190.

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  16. random_roller, Jun 11, 2018

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    Where's your link to the language you posted? It's wrong.

    I provided the link to Wizard of Odds website, which correctly states the 2 payouts.

    Provide the link from a reputable source.
     
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    random roller,

    I have never seen a 175 to 1 Payout, odds for ALL @ CRRAPS are 174 to 1 & newer 150 to 1.

    175 for 1 assumes that you take your bet down.

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  18. random_roller, Jun 11, 2018

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    One more time, where is the link to the language you posted.

    Outside of Las Vegas & Stateline (haven't been to Reno lately), the majority of casinos I have played at that offer the ATS at its original payout table offer it at 175 to 1, not 176 for 1.

    I have never seen the All All offered at 174 to 1 or 175 for 1.
     
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  19. random_roller, Jun 11, 2018

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    @eagleeye2

    I did a quick Google search on my phone while I was marooned for over an hour on the CTA train because of a faulty radio/signal/switch (the official explanation keeps changing) at a key intersection downtown. Below is a small list of casinos (with documentation) across the country that specifically pay 175 to 1 (not the "for equivalent" 176 for 1, and certainly not the 174 to 1 you claimed) when an All All bonus bet hits, rather than the watered down payout table now implemented in many casinos:

    Viejas Casino & Resort - San Diego, CA
    https://viejas.com/craps/san-diego/

    Little Creek Casino Resort - Shelton, WA
    https://www.little-creek.com/casino/bonus-craps.php

    Potawatomi Hotel & Casino - Milwaukee, WI
    https://www.paysbig.com/casino/how-to-play/craps

    Silver Slipper Casino Hotel - Bay St. Louis, MS
    http://silverslipper-ms.com/casino/bonus-craps/

    Rivers Casino - Des Plaines, IL
    https://www.riverscasino.com/desplaines/casino/table-games/craps

    Isle Casino - Cape Girardeau, MO
    https://www.islecape.com/gaming/table-games

    Akwesasne Mohawk Casino Resort - Hogan's burg, NY
    https://mohawkcasino.com/gaming/table-games/craps/

    Rocky Gap Casino Resort -- Cumberland, MD
    https://www.rockygapcasino.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/28628-RG-Website-Gaming-Rules_V2_HiRes.pdf

    I have visited other casinos that will pay 175 to 1 when the All All hits, but the casino doesn't specifically put that payout in writing on its website.

    MGM Resorts International and Caesars Entertainment) have lowered the current payout on ATS bonus bets at many locations to 30 to 1 or 31 for 1 (T&S), 150 to 1 or 151 for 1 (All) from the original payout of 34 to 1 or 35 for 1 (T&S), 175 to 1 or 176 for 1 (All).

    EDGe Vegas
    http://www.edgevegas.com/statistical-breakdown-of-new-craps-bets/

    Galaxy Gaming -- This is the company that licenses the All Small, All Tall, Make'em All Bonus Bets to casinos. Look at the graphic on the company's website and note the 175 to 1 payout for the Make'em All.
    https://www.galaxygaming.com/galaxy-games/32/bonus-craps

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    Feel free to link to a legitimate casino website that offers a 174 to 1 payout on the All All that you claim is correct.
     
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