The Superrick, TDVegas, Challenge

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by superrick, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. twodicebilly, Dec 28, 2016

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    TDV


    you said.....There are no exclusions. There are no cancelled rolls to make adjustments. There are no omitted rolls. He says go do. Announce start...finish.

    There are no canceled rolls or omitted rolls in what I provided
    to you and your back door suggestion of that is what makes me
    think you are a jerk of the highest order......period.

    You cant or wont get it through your head that in craps like anything
    else we do hard work can help you do a better job...

    No one is better or worse than another because they work harder
    than some one else....but in most cases they will have better results.

    You put nothing into craps... nothing into a shot ... hey that's great
    each to his own ... but you have put in a great deal of time on here, over
    4000 posts telling others they are just wasting their time.

    No one has ever asked you to take a class, buy a book, do anything,it
    is you that has the big mouth.....then you are afraid to back it up...
    I have 144 rolls which show your wrong,, and now I get accused of
    omitting rolls etc...... you cant have it both ways TDV....... either you
    have to admit you cant provide similar data time after time , or you have to admit your calling me a liar....

    Which is it???

    Twodicebilly
     
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  2. TDVegas, Dec 28, 2016

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    Can't help you there, sorry...ya gotta do it with a witness chosen by the guy offering the bet. There is no submitting role data (I repeat---there is NO submitting roll data) as a basis that you have accomplished/beaten the challenge. When the light goes on and you start the challenge...roll 1-72. If you roll less than 12 - 7's, (see revised bohunk) you can lay claim that you have beaten the challenge and since there was a witness who offered up the challenge--he will echo your sentiments. You won. If you roll 12 or more 6's in 72--you have lost and not accomplished the challenge--and will be subjected to intense ridicule on the forum;)

    You might go the next day and beat the challenge...but on the day you took the challenge...with eyes watching, you might fail. Maybe not. It's a gamble. Gambling.

    If someone likes to do DI...go do. I would never suggest not to do it, especially if it adds enjoyment to your experience. Do I think it makes a difference? Nah. If you do...go do.
     
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    rick, to each his own with betting strategies, I was just trying to state that casinos offering promotions are not doing it on an invitation only, so its really not a secret to anyone.
    and Im sure people receive like just posted notices in the mail about promos like this all the time.
    If it was an invitation only event, the table would be roped off and only a select few would be allowed.

    every year for 15 years I got an invitation for free room and invite to Ballys AC superbowl party, Id say it started in mid 80s?
    it was an invite only event, they had tons and tons of stadium food, and tons and tons of catered food, pretzels, cotton candy, the works. Huge screen and usually a has been football player to yack with the crowds, sign some autographs.
    I attended a handful of them, only because Id take a neighbor or family member who thought it was so cool and everything was free.(teeshirts, hats, sometimes, other little shitty things was handed out on occasion)
    sometimes, when driving home, my non gambling friend would say to me, wow, thanx buddy, had a great time, ate like I had 2 assholes, got some freebies, had a night out for free, went to a buffet breaktast, and it didn't cost a nickel.
    Id look at him and just say really? while you were eating hotdogs and icecream cones and sitting on the bleaches watching the pregame shows, I dropped 3100 hundred bucks.

    every promotion is done for attendance, nothing else.
    you want to keep it a secret, trust me, whomever you tell here, or whomever they tell after that, it will never cause a casino to shut down a promotion.
    they are going for numbers, the more the merrier, pack every table to the limit, bring in 6 dozen of the best self claimed DI shooters , give them whatever they want, food, rooms, booze, free 4 and 10s, JUST GET THEM IN.
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, Dec 28, 2016

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    Casinos do occasionally make a mistake. Were there not some glitches in the bubble craps machines when they were first introduced? I also recall (the late) Madelene Bizub reporting on the Usenet newsgroup that one or more of the Mississippi casinos had blackjacks paying 2:1 when it/they first opened (but quickly dropped that promotion when they realized knowledgeable players were playing till they dropped and taking them to the cleaners).
    As I said, mistakes like the above are rare. Casinos may have been naive in the pre-Ken Uston days, but I seriously doubt that still holds in the computer age.
     
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  5. Bases loaded, Dec 28, 2016

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  6. KokomoJoe4, Dec 28, 2016

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    Exactly what are you saying here BTL?
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Dec 28, 2016

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    "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels of the Bohunk Challenge, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." --1 Corinthians 13:1, unofficially revised
     
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  8. HornHiYo, Dec 28, 2016

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    There have been mistakes for sure.
    In this case no mistake. The casino knows all about it and anyone betting on the 4/10 is not charged vig. Public knowledge for the regulars. Still the casino wins over all.
     
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  9. betwthelines, Dec 28, 2016

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    if they are still available,could you pm me with those, rick? i realize that it is not your "job" (here is yet another clue for you, rick: NOTHING is your "job" here...ANYTHING posted here by ANYONE is strictly voluntary) but if you would be so kind.

    i know that the dt grand recently had the free 4/10 as a "promotion" but by the time i arrived in vegas earlier this month they had done away with it...but it had also been confirmed that it had been available at a couple of places on the strip...do you know if this is still so?

    thank you in advance for any help with this.

    yes, i am quite familiar with the albuquerque casinos that have--or had at least--those free bets and have played at 2 of them (santa ana & route 66...there is--or was--at least one other, maybe more, isleta)...the area is--or again at least was--something of an interesting "hot bed" for those otherwise quite rarely available bets.

    a casino north of traverse city in michigan---turtle creek in williamsburg---has had those bets for over 10 years, hardly a mere "promotion" there but more or less a permanent fixture.

    the Tough Craps player of course makes ONLY those bets when available, passing the dice to avoid the vig of the pass line.

    another free, no-vig bet, possibly mythical but asserted to have been available somewhere at one time is the field paying triple on BOTH the 2 & the 12...a secondary objective of the Tough Craps player is to get plenty of action...the free field would thus be Tough Craps Nirvana!!! action on every roll!!!

    but, alas, such a free bet might just as well be mythical as it can no longer be found.

    tom p
     
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  10. betwthelines, Dec 28, 2016

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    really, skulk? you think that post was "brief and succinct"? lol

    no. it was not the post that i was thinking of but i do want to thank you for the link...as i have also mentioned, i was pleasantly surprised by the number of smart peoples like yourself who were able to actually "get" the basic concept of Tough Craps from my convoluted posts on the subject...many of those have migrated to this forum too.

    and speaking of convoluted:​

    it is obvious from the link that, while the basic TC concept is unchanged, the details have changed with the times and circumstances...the bankroll---i now call it the "stake", which seems less ambiguous (not sure why, really) or at least a slightly less slippery definition, maybe a less "loaded" term than bankroll (judging anyway by some threads here about what is meant by "bankroll")---is now only $500...the "drag" threshold now $300...currently under certain bankroll conditions (lol, yes, after play begins the dollar amount status of the chips now morphs into the "bankroll") the TC player will limit the number of p/c points to up to 5 nowadays...the betting scheme slightly more "cut and dried" now etc...these are but details however and do not address or change the basic structure of Tough Craps in the least.

    i noticed too the date on the link was april, 2003...this would have been post "tech bubble burst"...unfortunately the TC player's spending habits had generally not yet caught up with that fact, his dramatic drop in commissions & income notwithstanding! hence still the $1k stake...

    but the $1k stake also had to do with the fact that in 2003 for all practical purposes the only game was in nevada (or ac) where at most visits were but 5 times a year...the Tough Craps Nightmare is being in vegas and running out of gambling money. <gasp!>

    this changed 7 months later when the local joint opened a bank craps table...it was likely soon after that, if not immediately even, that the stake was finally lowered to $500.

    as you can tell, i am very much in the "typing just to hear myself type" mode.

    tom p
    -g. geist: yes, definitely uninteresting drivel
    --tom p: uh-huh
    ---g. geist: but you have entertained yourself at least
    ----tom p: uh-huh
     
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  11. betwthelines, Dec 28, 2016

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    well, as i said (and i said it prior to seeing this post and others on the subject), you have no "job" here whatsoever...sorry.

    but you have said, often, that you like to help others and my previous post requesting names of places that offer the free 4/10 was just going under the guileless assumption that you meant it...my bad.

    but more than that and as usual you are deluded and misinformed...i have VAST experience going back years with the free 4/10 bet...one place i mentioned has had the bets for over a decade...it has been available at some albuquerque places for several years.

    my experience has been that at these places these bets are not bet all that much more than they otherwise would be...those who bet across or normally bet the 4 and 10 will bet it on these tables...THOSE THAT NORMALLY DO NOT BET THE 4/10 DO NOT BET IT ON THESE TABLES...hardways and props are bet just as much on these tables as at any given table...like x-odds it brings in players but they do not necessarily take advantage of it...the majority of craps players are, like you,rick, innumerates.

    so you are trying to run your bullshit past the wrong person...i know 1 thousand and fifty times more about these bets than you do...my knowledge of whether or not they are available in vegas or where or whether i play them or not will have ZERO affect on whether or not the bets stay around...get a grip, rick

    no biggie...i can easily find the names of those places on another forum and then call them to ascertain current availability..."driving around" is hardly necessary, lol...

    further i will post the info here for anyone else that might be interested.

    sorry to have bothered you, rick.

    tom p
     
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  12. Dave G Ct, Dec 28, 2016

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    Tom has left a calling card for SR.He posts so much- he does not know what he is posting.Do not fear- TD,Tom, or OAP will dissect it and render it giberish
     
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  13. gargoil, Dec 28, 2016

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    BTL, the trick is to find it during the promotion. I don't think any casino offers that full time (I may be wrong) but I have not seen it other than a promotion. You probably need to check the casinos on a regular basis for their promotions and see.

    I get mailers from several of these casinos. I can keep my eye out and PM you if I see it.
     
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  14. TDVegas, Dec 28, 2016

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    I'll be on the Strip between now and when you arrive, tomp.

    Be happy to ask/inquire and see if I can find it.

    Maybe a promotion or something.
     
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  15. KokomoJoe4, Dec 28, 2016

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    When the outsides are not showing when you are on them at the vig-free joint, you lose your $25 wager when the number never to be uttered is uttered.

    When they fail to show at places where the vig is taken with the winner, you still lose your $25.

    When they fail to show where you're paying vig up front, you're a dumb ass for playing them there, especially since they are not showing, and now you're out $25 plus that bottle of water that you wanted to buy.
     
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  16. superrick, Dec 28, 2016

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    Telling any craps player where to find a good bet is like telling your girlfriend that your pull out! Then in 9 months she knows that you didn't!
     
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  17. betwthelines, Dec 28, 2016

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    thanks, garg...appreciate it bigly (or is that "big league"?)

    from my preliminary investigation it looks like you are correct that IN LAS VEGAS at least (probably other places too) it is available only on a promotional basis (again it is starting to look like that)...however as i mentioned, there is a joint in michigan that has had it as a permanent feature for over 10 years

    found out too that the albuquerque area---a veritable hot bed for the bets---either has had or still has the bets in at least 4 casinos...indeed i also discovered that santa ana has had it---and still does have it since at least 2012...i have played there twice and also played several times at route 66 in albuquerque, which also almost certainly still has the bets as well...

    so while it may just be "promotional" in lost wages and elsewhere, it does look to be a more or less permanent feature in a few places at least.

    but having said that, it is indeed lost wages where i will be from jan 8 to at least jan 18th and then on-again-off-again in late feb/all of march (from a spring ball base in aridzona) so if you run across anything, yes, do please PM me.

    thank you very much,

    tom p

     
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  18. James Hall, Jul 30, 2018

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  19. James Hall, Jul 30, 2018

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    I think I read on this forum somewhere that TDVegas had watched
    SuperRick at Red Rock throw the dice
    when Rick tool a pretty sizable amount of money off the craps table
    I'll see if I can find that post
     
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  20. tabletop123, Jul 30, 2018

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    I'll save ya the trouble of finding the post. Rick had a good roll, made a few bucks, & TD said: " Nice Shooting Rick", but it's only Short term.
    NOT to say that Rick is NOT a good shooter, but....it WAS only one session.

    TD also witnessed ( G) in action at Red Rock, wherein ( G) caught a little gear & got the cash.
    Same situation....short sessions.

    Same thing with TD. He graciously congratulated ( G) with a ..." Good Shooting".
    You seem to insinuate that TD is saying no one can win...doesn't win, etc. That is not the case.

    Where TD, & I agree is on these Grandiose claims, ie...I play when I need mortgage payments, Vault Assaults, etc.
    Also, the " I normally toss 10 roll hands or better" bullshit.
    If ( G) was willing to put up with your nonsense ( which will probably NEVER happen).....I'd fly him out to Mesa ( at MY expense), & gleefully watch him shoot your dick in the dirt.....ON YOUR TABLE!!!!!

    I know...you ask: " Why not yourself"? Simply because I no longer claim the Skill like I ONCE did a few years ago.....
    THAT'S WHY!!!!
     
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