The Superrick, TDVegas, Challenge

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by superrick, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. Edward-ky, Dec 26, 2016

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    OK so was my question too confusing?
     
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  2. superrick, Dec 26, 2016

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    Dave, I've been called every name in the book by some of those guys I don't care and you shouldn't either. I do care when someone that has never met someone is basically calling someone a liar!
     
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  3. Edward-ky, Dec 26, 2016

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    Well guess I'll have to go to Vegas so I can SR a liar. BTW this was a joke.
     
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  4. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Have not played with anyone on this forum.What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
     
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  5. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    SR Never called anyone a liar.Might have called Water Boy a lemming lol
     
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  6. Edward-ky, Dec 26, 2016

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    I'm pretty sure has nothing to with tea in china. Just a simple question. Was just curious how you seem to know some people so well but never met anyone.
     
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  7. betwthelines, Dec 26, 2016

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    i think some clarification about my own play is in order.

    i would never put up a challenge (for money anyway) with my play against anyone else's for a given session or even several sessions.

    i would almost certainly lose.

    there is one primary reason why there is only one Tough Craps player in the entire world:
    he is almost always losing
    this is not due to tough craps itself (where with flat betting the win percentage would actually be greater than 49%) but rather his ultra-aggressive progressive betting strategy with an eye to and an objective of the HUGE win.....no, no, no, no, no...you misunderstand: i mean bleeping HUGE win...

    using records kept accurately since nov 2003 when craps opened at the local joint the TC player's sessions record (a "session" being, for ease of record-keeping, anything from a brief one, a marthon one, to on-again-off-again play over the course of a day) is
    won 372
    lost 750
    tied 61​
    this is a win percentage of only 31.44%...now this may look like close to winning a third of the time but in fact, given the sample size, it is statistically significantly less than a third...the TC player would need to win 33 sessions in a row to bring it up to one third winners, something that has not ever come close to happening even (i do not feel just now like taking the relatively lengthy amount of time to go back and check but the number of consecutive session wins probably does not exceed 5)

    so, no thanks, liman, no challenges putting up my own play but i damn sure would like to shoot craps with you and, yes, the $3 minimum, 10x odds at the fiesta is indeed attractive.

    tom p
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Well Edward obvious I had received a lot of information on a few people who I trust.In the case of Irish - lot of people told me things .No never met him- would not want to.
     
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  9. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Never said anything about you.
     
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  10. Edward-ky, Dec 26, 2016

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    Never insinuated you did and wouldn't care if you did. I have thick skin on here.
     
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  11. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    I guess you do.!
     
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  12. gargoil, Dec 26, 2016

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    Hey Tom, I tried to go back and look but I am probably looking in the wrong thread. Just interested what your own play was. Not trying to provoke anything but couldn't find it :(
     
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  13. superrick, Dec 26, 2016

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    Dave, congratulations for once again trying to stir thing up but guess what it won't work! Are you really that stupid, I've posted that I've been on the tables with a lot of guys that post on all of the DI board and gargoil, is one of them. Any time that he is in town he knows that I will go to the tables with him and get this Dave, we talk on the phone all of the time about craps!

    The same thing goes with a lot of the guys on the different boards that you and others might think I have a problem with when that is not the case! I'm tired of you and what you are trying to do on the different craps boards. I don't see how Heavy lets you even post there! All you do is go on the different boards and try to get information out of us, then you go on a different board and write shit about us.

    I let you get away with it and I've talked to you about what you are doing but now it's gotten out of hand! You wrote shit about me over on MP's board when you were trying to get my help and I let you get away with it because I was talking to you on the phone about what you did. You said that you would stop but that never happened.

    Do you know that I talked with Heavy on the phone before Dave?

    Now you started the thread (On Axis Classes biggest nightmare!) So you could attack Heavy and Irish. You had to bring up all of the videos that I've posted in slow-motion so the guys could see what really happens when the dice hits the tables!
    Who, else are you going to be attacking that you never met? I don't think that anybody in their right mind is going to take your side on what you are doing.

    I've posted many times that I don't have a problem with Heavy he is in business to sell what he does. I do have a problem with the fiction that Mp wrote on his board or any other board!

    So, Dave, I hope that you have a good life because I'm sure that you will never get any help for any of the so-called DI board or guys like me.

    I can't wait to see what kind of BS you will write after this one! But please do me one big favor go into your phone contacts and delete my name from it, I never want to hear from you again!
     
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  14. Dave G Ct, Dec 26, 2016

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    Quit playing the " Drama Queen"
     
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    and being a station casino, I gotta admit, the coffee shop, like all the station casino I visited a few weeks ago, all have the same specials.
    Cannot beat the 4.99 burger special for lunch.
    too bad they allow smoking all over the casinos.

    Im leaning towards Maryland gaming facilities, no smoking.
    we will be in Atlantic City during presidents week, if you ever make it out to this coast, let me know a week in advance, I can meet anywhere around here, Connecticut, pa, jersey, Maryland.

    I think you mentioned youre headed up reno way ?

    drive over to 4th street, gold and silver diner, some good home style wholesome foods at reasonable prices.
     
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  16. random_roller, Dec 26, 2016

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    How about that -- in line with the winning percentage of your Minnesota Twins. :D


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  17. betwthelines, Dec 26, 2016

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    garg, below is a link to my pathetic, convoluted attempt to explicate Tough Craps.

    i have struggled mightily over the years to briefly (lol..as you know, always a problem for me) and succinctly describe tough craps as played by the Tough Craps player...

    in fairness to myself though there are some subtleties to the play about which details are truly "eyes-glaze-over" explanations...not that i haven't tried sometimes but not everything has been covered and for that reason.

    in a nut shell tough craps itself (as distinguished from Tough Craps in caps) brooks no quarter and offers the bank the lowest edge possible EXCLUSIVELY AND ALWAYS...strictly speaking then "pure" tough craps will in almost all cases be dark-side, dp & dc, play with maximum (affordable) laid odds...a rare exception to that are those very few places where a free--no vig, 0% HA--buy of the 4 & 10 are available in which case those are the ONLY bets made. (towards the beginning of the link below slipping into making p & c bets was done at one time but no longer applies and tough "purity" discipline is now maintained when at those few places)

    but personal goals can & do trump this strictly "pure" math. the Tough Craps player's (there is only one in the entire world) personal goal is to WIN HUGELY** in every session and the dark side is not as "efficient" to this end as progressive Do play & the few hundredths of a percent in edge are thus sacrificed for p and c...so except when those rare free bets are available, there exists no "pure" tough craps player anywhere (there was at one time--also mentioned in the link--but it is believed that he has departed from this veil of tears).

    i did make one post on Tough Craps in the old rgc group that believe it or not was actually fairly clear, succinct and straightforward but like most things from the Past Times i have not been able to re-locate it...so we are left with my logorrhea from this forum:

    http://crapsforum.com/threads/tough-craps.7020/

    frankly i have been somewhat surprised by the number--on this forum especially--who actually "get" tough craps from the convoluted explanation like the one on this link.

    on the other hand it is totally understandable that anyone might have questions from it.

    feel free, garg, to come back with any such questions.

    tom p
    **no, no, no, no, no, no...you misunderstand: i mean win HUGELY...there is no win limit...the "Tough Craps Fantasy", a term coined in 1974, is to have a bet progress to such a large amount that no bank will book the action (today, benny binion being dead, this is probably actually possible)...this means immediately jumping in the car or catching the next flight to a joint that will book the next bet in the progression...thus it is virtually certain that the Tough Craps player will lose the biggest bet that he ever makes...make no mistake, he would be much, much happier with the former scenario of winning it all to the limit...but he WOULD DO the latter...if there is one salient feature of Tough Craps, it is the ABSOLUTE RELENTLESSNESS of the bet progression...this is why there is only one TC player in the world: he is almost always losing (post #127 from this thread, which you quoted, does contain stats that outline this a bit)
     
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  18. DeMango, Dec 27, 2016

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    No, he hasn't. Or me, or you.
     
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  19. Edward-ky, Dec 27, 2016

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    If u mean I haven't met anyone from here then you would be totally incorrect in your assumption.
     
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  20. Edward-ky, Dec 27, 2016

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    I don't know seems like it has.
     
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