The only way to win

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by 7uwin, Jun 9, 2016.


  1. 7uwin

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    It doesn't matter if the dice are "biased" or "fair"
    It doesn't matter if you make place bets play the do or don't.
    You are playing a negative expectation game against an unlimited bank.

    If you cant manage your money and set an attainable win goal you will lose.
    If you go to the table to "play" you will lose.

    With a good strategy a bankroll, discipline and limit your time in action you stand a chance to win.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Jun 9, 2016

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    7uwin,

    Posting ""It doesn't matter if the dice are "biased" or "fair","" proves that you are:

    1) As Blind as a BAT!

    2) As Dumb as a ROCK!

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  3. Onautopilot, Jun 9, 2016

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    Every betting scheme has an expected result......how much luck it takes to accomplish some win goal based on at risk money verses the reward goal.

    You can structure some betting schemes that have a very, very high expectation of a winning session, as high as 99+%. Large bankroll at risk verses a small win goal.

    Or, you can structure a betting scheme that has a very low expectation of having a winning session. A very small bankroll at risk verses a large win goal.

    You bets your quarter and ya takes your chances!

    Push the balloon in on one side, it bulges out the other side an equal amount.
     
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    Damn, 7uwin is also a LIAR!

    7uwin, kindly re-Post ONE previous post of mine, where as you stated, ""You've said on this board many times that you can predict the outcome of a random event""

    Now that is a BLATANT LIE from a BLATANT LIAR!

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    7uwin,

    She reminds me of Hillary Clinton, LIES, LIES, LIES...

    Her Casino Association prevents her from being capable of monitoring a Craps Table for Biased Dice, even though a 6th Grader could do so, what a HOOT you are 7uwin!

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  6. whodat, Jun 9, 2016

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    I believe 7uwin is a man.
     
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    Yeah like I expected a different response from our resident nit wit eagleeye
     
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    I just like using whichever rest room is closest
     
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    dictionary : luck "A FORCE" that brings good fortune or adversity., the question would be who controls the force a great man and professional gambler once said "GAMBLERS RELY ON LUCK THE CASINO RELIES ON MATHEMATICS" therefore "LUCK" being a myth most gamblers will lose, The ones who rely on the two pillars of "WACMOTT' will be blessed with an occasional win the more one relies on the two "PILLARS OF WACMOTT" the more wins will be bestowed upon them It's in the book WACMOTT LAUGHS IN THE FACE OF LUCK believe in WACMOTT
     
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    Variance is the name of the winning game.
    Long term exposure is the name of the losing game.

    Footnote: If you are a true AP then ignore the above two statements.
     
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    If that is the case why does he dress like a woman ???
     
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    HOLY SHIT...something we agree on
     
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    Do not argue with an idiot. He drags you down to his level and will beat you with experience.

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    7uwin has previously stated that it was a picture of his ex.
     
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    oh ok
     
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    Whose E-mail account, he / she absconded with, to use more than ONE user name on this SITE!

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    It must have been you since you are banned from the Wizard of Vegas site for trolling and MULTIPLE IDs.
     
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    eagleeye2 said:

    Whose E-mail account, he / she (7uwin) absconded with, to use more than ONE user name on this SITE!

    eagleeye2
     
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  19. Craps Poopshoot, Jun 9, 2016

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    There are moments of 'WTF?' at the Craps table when:
    • When the Six and Eight are seldom hit,
    • when the outside numbers are hit more than the inside numbers
    • when you have a string of crap rolls back to back
    • when the Yo and Seven seem to be rolling back to back
    It is at these times you simply ponder if the universe took a detour in to the Twilight Zone.

    So, then you go to a different table, perhaps the same casino or a different one, and the dice rolls are rolling as to the expected Craps pyramid

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    So you ponder - why on that table the dice roll differently than on this table?

    Perhaps you to back to the table with the 'Twilight Zone dice' and watch a few rolls. Yep, they roll as they did when you first saw them.
    Then you go back to the other table and see that the dice roll as expected.

    If the dice where just happening to be rolling on the outsides when you where there the first time, and that could happen, then if you come back later and the dice are doing the same thing as when you first saw them, that sort of rules out dice volatility.

    Pondering this, you go to the bar where you have a cat seat view of the tables.....

    There you see at one table the players bust out fast, but at the other table the players play much longer.

    So you ponder why one table is different than the other....
    • Magnets under the felt? Naw... that would effect cell phones and probably other casino machines too.
    • Thin Strings attached to the dice to yank them to the outsides? Naw... people would see the strings
    • Off sized dice faces? Naw, people would notice that
    • Hollow dice with a weight inside? Naw, people would hear it rattle.
    • Perhaps it just dice
    So when you rule out the probable, then the improbable starts to come in to play.

    Now more pondering...
    • What if the manufacture use a heaver substance for the pip materials than what the body of the dice are created from?
    • What if the manufacture used a heavy pip material on one dice face and a lighter pip material on the other dice faces?
    • What if the manufacture used thicker pips on one face and thinner pips on the other faces?
    • What if the manufacture used a heavy paint where the logo and serial number is?
    Where the hell does the casino buy the dice from?
    • Mexico!
    Cheap dice then! Little quality control, no testing and evaluation of the dice. Who the hell knows...



    What of the gaming commission and the laws then?
    • Dice have to be equal size on all faces
    That is all the law says, that is all the gaming commission is going to care about. Police only enforce the laws on the books, not the laws that they think should exist or laws they make up themselves. That is how that goes.

    A casino manager once told me:

    "It is the responsibility of the player to evaluate any casino game that they may play, as to the odds and the randomness of it, and determine if the game is suitable for them to play"

    This is how casinos get away with offering games like 'big wheel' with a horrid return rate, and other games where it may be random as to who wins, but not random as to frequency and amounts of wins. They publish the odds and even at times how winners are picked - and the players don't read or care. They play it without knowing nothing of the game. The casinos simply thinks, 'sucks to be you, cause you going to lose'. There is actually a video poker machine I once found that said, "Winners are randomly selected by a central server." So, the casino knows it will award wins to random people but only award so many wins. Perfectly Legal.

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    This Video Poker machine is Class 2, where a central server determines randomly what player will win and how much. The 'Match Card' ensures that you win if the central server says you win.

    Back to the dice....
    There is no law that says that craps dice have to roll as per mathematically odds says they should. The dice just have to roll without the casino actually doing something to alter that roll, DURING THE ROLL.

    I think we as players ASSUME to much. We leap before looking! We play games where we have ASSUMPTIONS about the game and ignore the facts that are right in front of us.

    Its not cheating, as some here have declared when a casino employs dice that deviate from the expected Craps Rolls pyramid. It is that we as players have FAILED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE and are working off of ASSUMPTIONS.

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    This is the reality of what is out there! (source)

    Ponder this for a bit.
     
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