The most hated man in Vegas by the casinos

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  1. superrick, Dec 23, 2016

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    That's right Billy Walters the big time sports better that has the ability to change the money line with his betting is the most hated man in Vegas! For years the Feds have been going after him and the casinos want to see him in jail. Now, I know that TDVegas will love this story and point out that he is not playing craps, so what!

    You don't think that the got that good at what he does by saying that you can't beat the casinos do you? You don't think that he just scans down the line up to see who is playing and closes his eyes and picks the teams that he is going to bet on do you?

    I love Billy Walters, and love to see what hard work will do for you when it comes to the casinos.

    http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/dec/23/fbi-agents-news-leaks-may-doom-federal-case-agains/


    In the above quote the first sentence tells the whole story, he hooked up with others that could help him stop doing what he was doing wrong! Isn't that why you guys come here or are you only here to argue? Do you believe that you can win at playing craps if you can get help in what you are doing wrong, or do you just want to read that one book and tell everybody that you know what you are doing and besides that you only play for the entertainment of the game?

    http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/st...e-sports-most-successful-controversial-bettor
     
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  2. TDVegas, Dec 23, 2016

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    You do understand the difference between an ACE sports handicapper and a craps player?

    There are 3 things in Vegas where the skilled can make a living and thrive.
    Poker
    Sports handicapping
    Card counting

    Where you can't make a living.
    Roulette
    Craps
    Slots.
     
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  3. Pressit, Dec 23, 2016

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    A number years ago Cigar Aficionado had a very good interview with him. His mind must constantly be on warpspeed.
     
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  4. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 23, 2016

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    Again, TDVegas simply says things based on his own experience, not on facts or any research.

    To win and make a living on any game, you simply have to be on the upside of volatility more than the downside. For Video Poker players this means to get the Royal Flush more than the math says you will get, 1 out of 40,000 hands. This goes for slots players too, some who play a select group of machines and they know that with a bit of luck and the right amount of casino free play, they will hit enough jackpots to thrive on.
    Craps and roulette can be beaten. There are people out there who do that all the time.

    Keep in mind, that players who beat these games play a HELLOFALOT and I am guessing TDVegas you don't play all that much.

    What is AHELLOFALOT? 10 to 12 hours a session. Baccarat gamblers are known to go for days with only cat naps in the lounges to keep going. Bob Dancer writes that when he finds a good situation he simply plays 8 to 10 hour straight, and we are talking about a hand every 1.5 seconds too.

    A HELLOFALOT can also mean that the player plays multiple sessions a day, some short and some very long. There are guys here in town that do this...
     
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  5. TDVegas, Dec 23, 2016

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    There is NO ONE playing craps or roulette for a living. You're being bullshitted all over this town by a bunch of degenerate gamblers who can't admit the truth. The odd thing is you are falling for it. Why?

    Poker
    Sports handicappers
    Card counters

    That's it.

    I've asked you before how do you KNOW who is playing for a living vs. who is simply living to play?
    You don't have an answer.

    Even if it was true...those guys would not be stupid enough to reveal to a stranger that they are the ones beating the casino.

    Makes no difference if someone "plays a lot"....unless they have an advantage, they aren't playing for a living. Looking for trends is not a viable method or system. Trends are past tense. always. The next roll can always be a 7.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Dec 23, 2016

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    Who cares? What difference does it make if someone is making a living from craps? Why do we have to prove or disprove it?

    If someone doesn't believe it, why not call Bullshit, & move on? Why 1,000 :yes I can, no you can't post?

    Seems like a friggin waste of time! A guy/s tells ME that they make a living playing craps, & my response is :Congratulations, & let's go make some money! Mind if I watch?

    NOT, you are full of Shit, & I don't believe it!
     
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  7. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 23, 2016

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    That is right, they don't tell strangers what they are doing...but I am no stranger to them! YOU ARE!

    LOL
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    I think some have living to play confused with playing for a living.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Dec 23, 2016

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    Yep. They do, IMO.
     
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  10. TDVegas, Dec 23, 2016

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    I remember years ago remarking to a friends ex wife "he's doing well with telemarketing...bought himself BMW 5 series.

    Her response..."what doing well...his father sends him $3,000 every other month".

    My point...no one knows anything about others financial situation unless you are their accountant.

    We know how poker pros do because we can see their tour winnings.
    It's a nice dream. No boss. No schedule...and making bank.
     
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  11. superrick, Dec 23, 2016

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    If you said the moon was pink TDVegas, would say in his world it's blue! Funny that there are a bunch of guys that know these full-time players then you have TDVegas who sits at the bubble craps machine and tells everybody that there is no way it can be done!
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Dec 24, 2016

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    If you know this for a fact, and if you do know that, then you should also know how they are doing it.

    Which brings a question to mind......Why are you not doing it right now, and making your fortune that way?
     
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    To beat a casino game, one has to find a "flaw" in the math of that game.

    The card counters found that flaw.....the cards have a "memory"!

    The sports book bettors found that flaw.....knowledge that skewed the "spreads" in their favor,

    The poker players found that flaw......a weakness in other player's game.

    The craps player would have to find that flaw, or manufacture it......being able to control the dice to the level of skewing the expectation......or find a flaw in the dice themselves that is identifiable and exploitable.

    So claims of advantage play in craps boils down to the above two ways. Someone that is in fact successful with those tactics, is not on here arguing with TDV or anyone else about those "skills"....period!

    If you are though, you are either trying to sell something, or are not very smart, in that case you probably don't have the "smarts" to accomplish it anyway!

    The benevolent BS is just that...BS!

    If I have found a way to beat the casino, I am definitely not selling you my "goose", nor am I loaning it to you!
     
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    Example of sharing "advantage" play knowledge.......there was a poster that came on this forum a couple years ago, said he had found a flaw in the bubble craps machines in Arizona casinos. He even explained the flaw and how he exploited it, and how much money he was winning, and that he had shared it with friends and relatives who were now playing the "flaw".

    His motive he said was to get ideas from people here on how to better bet the "flaw". There were several responses from the math guys here, and he agreed he would try that advice.

    By the time I had made plans to head for Arizona, the "Flaw" had been fixed.

    When you tell the world about your "goose", someone is either going to steal the goose, or kill it! :)
     
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  15. TDVegas, Dec 24, 2016

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    There was a flaw in the bubble here at Red Rock. When it was a $2 pass line minimum. After a point was establish...you could tap $1 on the pass line and tap $2 on the odds. Once the dice started "bubbling"...the machine would refund the $1 pass line wager (for not meeting the min $2 bet) but keep the $2 odds bet. At this point HA was 0% on your play.

    It has been fixed....then they lowered the $2 min to $1 on all bets.
     
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    That would be neat......getting a place bet on the point paid at true odds! Plus I assume you could take the odds bet off at any time you choose, making it the exact same as a place bet at true odds.
     
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    I downloaded a craps app on my Kindle once, and although I can't explain what the flaw was exactly, there was no way to lose on the don't side. Unfortunately, it was a play-money only app. Nobody would here a peep outta me were I to find such an animal in a real game.
     
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  18. TDVegas, Dec 24, 2016

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    So..if they are so forthcoming with how they are thriving with certain games and willing to share that info with you..ask them how and go do yourself. Who cares if you have to spend hours in the casino. The only important question is does it work and can one thrive?

    I could not care less what the method is or how much time if I have to spend in the casino. The only question is...is it worthwhile financially compared to what I'm currently doing?

    If my counter job is paying me ~$12/hour....for an 8 hour shift but my casino "job" is rewarding me with ~$36/hour....

    What is the problem?

    The wife or husband or partner may cast a doubting eye initially....but I'll guarantee they come around if you're bringing home 3x what you were at the counter job.
     
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  19. Pressit, Dec 25, 2016

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    It is no secret, never has been, it is a very simple plan, yet few will follow because you will spend more time quailifying a table and a shooter, and a very short time betting. Also the amount of money you are willing to expose will certainly impact how much money you can make. This sort of play requires tremendous amount of discipline. $36/hour? That is what you should be making per quailified shooter.
     
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  20. Linaway, Dec 25, 2016

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    Practice what you preach! I once put up a thread telling YOU that DICE DO HAVE MEMORY!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You said.....
    The card counters found that flaw.....the cards have a "memory"!

    I say so do dice! Dice setting according to recent material available began back in 1929. SevenOut can shed some light on this.


    Let that penetrate that thick skull of yours. That memory is hard coded on the die faces just like the memory is on cards.

    Cards are broken down into suits.
    Games Any of the four sets of 13 playing cards (clubs, diamonds, hearts, and spades) in a standard deck, the members of which bear the same marks.

    Dice are broken down into Axial Arrays. Some call them the 6 basic sets as H6, V6, HW, 3V, 2V, X6 in standard dice. Each of these arrays have a distribution count of numbers possible.

    While I'm at it, where cards can be counted, there are components of Dice Hierarchy that also can be considered just like card counting. These I won't reveal.

    Math has absolutely nothing to do with this memory. Math comes only after the fact. For what it's worth, just about anything that can be done can have a math formula generated. Even to wipe your rump! Obviously if your ambidextrous, the constant would be the same but the formula would have to be altered to give consideration to the positioning of the thumb.:(

    Nevertheless you no doubt would quibble over which came first, the wipe or the math.
     
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