No, a whale is there to gamble. It's the thrill for them. There is no difference to him if I, you, or him, is the Pass line bettor/shooter. Except when I shoot and I win he benefits, and if I keep prevailing, something has to give here. Luck doesn't run indefinitely. Again, as I said, I gladly will demonstrate first anyways. I've acquired this just 3 years ago. Not a long time. Don't know why you assume I've been doing this for awhile. BTW, should he ask for every one else that also crapped out at the table while he was wagering to reimburse him as well? Hypothetical, since I won't.