The math for beating gambling is here.

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by RightMath, Apr 3, 2018.

  1. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    You did say it several times
    you also said , "A trend is not a trend until it's over
    also said , there is no way to know when a trend might start
    and on and on and on
    You are the one that made that , "$#^*T" up in an effort to win an argument ,
    Those who have joined the group are now able to see how feeble your
    negative attacks on the game and the players who are able to win actually are
    Some of them , in the beginning , had the same pessimistic view of the game you hold
    They now realize that , "LOSING" is not the only option open to them
    They see that winning is a very distinct possibility because they are doing more and more of it all the time
    One even said
    "After over 20 years of playing the game and knowing the odds of winning were slim
    I can now walk into a casino "KNOWING I CAN WIN" and feel certain that I probably will"

    Negative attitude gone , positive attitude in it's place , results on the rise

    You really should try to develop a more positive attitude , you might win one now and then
    and in doing that you could raise your bets from your usual dollar
    and hell you might even be able to get BACK ON THE CRAPS TABLE"
     
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  2. tabletop123, Apr 15, 2018

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    The house edge is Constant for EVERY bet, & Player. It NEVER changes! President Trump walks through the door, belly ups to the table, & says: I'm the fu**king President of the United States & I'm here to play Craps.....House Edge? CONSTANT!
     
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  3. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    TDVegas will like this post , if he doesn't let me know and I will give him a shout
     
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  4. tabletop123, Apr 15, 2018

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    Okay, my mistake. I am DEAD wrong! IF, & I did say IF a player is playing with an advantage...the house advantage does change! The advantage swings To the player. To what degree? Depends on the player advantage!
     
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  5. tabletop123, Apr 15, 2018

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    Nope! Read my latter post.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Apr 15, 2018

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    The Vig...the payouts never change. I BELIEVE that is what TD meant?
     
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  7. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    Thank you
    TDV tries to muddy the water by arguing against a point with unrelated rhetoric
     
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  8. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    No that's not what he is trying to say , he chooses his words very carefully
    he is just arguing points to argue , his effort is always the same , to diminish points that differ from his opinions
     
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  9. tabletop123, Apr 15, 2018

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    The house does have an advantage/edge on every bet...UNTIL it is changed by a Skillful shooter. Now......whether a Skillful shooter can REALLY swing the advantage/edge in his/her favor?.......THAT remains to be seen!
     
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  10. tabletop123, Apr 15, 2018

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    Well, I think I did a pretty fair job of making the clarification. I understand what you BOTH meant!
     
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  11. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    It happens , the bigger question is how often can he do that and for how long
    Those are the measure of a persons skill , then couple that with the proper betting strategy
    and watch what happens to the results at the table
     
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  12. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    I am glad you clarified
     
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  13. TDVegas, Apr 15, 2018

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    LOL...

    A guy who fabricated a story and got caught about a fictitious casino visit to Harrahs, NM is talking about relevance and or credibility?

    Good one, James.
     
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    I guess he feels it is "refreshing" because it is something that so seldom happens to him or anybody else. SIR :) if I ever find myself agreeing with TD, I always backtrack and reread the post, to make sure I read it right. If that "cleared", I then do some soul searching, to see what went wrong. :D Shocking might be a better word than "refreshing". :cool:
     
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  15. twodicebilly, Apr 15, 2018

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    You indicated nothing can over come the house advantage, i said it does not matter......

    The went on to indicate this.......500 rolls is not enough of a sample to show anything worthwhile, IMO. Of those 500, how many were involved in a trend and how many did you consider to be cast off rolls (meaning having no relevance to your decision making)..?

    My question to you would what be....EXACTLY WHY do you think certain numbers are repeating or trending?

    My second question...is this transferable? Meaning whatever reasons you use to call a trend is going to be coming---can anyone else use your chart and do the same? Or is this "vision" (decision) only applicable to you?


    Again none of this matters..... i did not say 500 rolls was enough and i never indicated anyone else could do it the same
    way.... we were having a discussion (sorry again my fault, i thought we were) and i went to my table and did exactly
    what you have been harping about......betting before i write the story.... and i did. and then i gave you the results....

    There was no bad faith on my part, there was no building up the results....i gave it to you straight... but i guess
    that was just to much for you, you cant stand a decent conversation so you need to go back to your normal
    style on this board.


    tdb
     
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  16. tabletop123, Apr 15, 2018

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    Dammit! Now I kinda wish I wouldn't have put a "Like" on your post. You'll say I'm confused againm. Ya know.....the old "switching back, & forth again"! Lol.

    I've said many times.....it's the contents of the post....not whether I like, dislike, or argue with the Poster!

    Ya finally posted something that made sense.
     
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  17. TDVegas, Apr 15, 2018

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    tdb,
    I don’t want YOUR results. I want your “method” so an independent person can try it with sims.

    YOUR results that YOU say verified that trend betting is a viable way to beat the game (overcome house edge) is NOT what I am looking for.

    How many times do I have to say the word “independent”?

    What you are saying is “straight up, believe my numbers show I can read a trend”...

    It doesn’t work that way.

    My suggestion to you is if YOU believe this...go do it.

    Why do you need someone or anyone to recognize your claim that this will work??...ESPECIALLY since you will NOT submit the trial to an independent verification.

    This goes back to your DI claims. “Just believe me”

    Provide a means and method to prove out your claims...and I don’t mean provide numbers that it worked. Provide the triggers, the methods. Then an independent person can run some trials.
     
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  18. twodicebilly, Apr 15, 2018

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    You gotta to have some kind of a problem .. i don't know what it is..... maybe you cant read ???

    You said this.........My suggestion to you is if YOU believe this...go do it.

    Why do you need someone or anyone to recognize your claim that this will work??...ESPECIALLY since you will NOT submit the trial to an independent verification.

    This goes back to your DI claims. “Just believe me”


    I gave you everything for your review......what i saw, you saw. i showed you every roll, i explained every bet...if you cant
    get some idea of what happened...well i am speechless.

    Anyone that has every played the game of craps could review what i showed, you see the bets made, lost and won
    and go to their table and record the exact same way for as many hands as they wish, view their own 2,3,4,5 roll
    trends and bet accordingly to see if there is any merit for them....

    Of all the classes i have taken never was i presented with anything so clear.


    tdb
     
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  19. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    close to 2 years and you are still fuming over it . I would say it served it's purpose
     
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  20. James Hall, Apr 15, 2018

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    TDV has never looked for a way to prove anything , he is frustrated because he can't
    find a way to , "DISPROVE" what you are doing
    everything for him is negative
     
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