# The Game of Craps

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by KokomoJoe4, Oct 10, 2017.

1. KokomoJoe4, Oct 10, 2017

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Uses dice and defined rules of play for the interested gambler.

The rules are based on the pyramid of 36 one-dimensional dice outcomes which define five sets of equally occurring sister numbers and the seven.

Fairness is defined in terms of the ratio of these outcomes relative to seven. Unfortunately, no bets offered in the game are fair except the odds bet, which must be coupled to another bet, which is unfair.

Some (I would argue most) people believe that the roll of two dice is random, where the outcome obtained is completely beyond the control or the influence of the shooter.

Some players believe otherwise, and practice with dice sets and tosses in an attempt to learn how they impart influence on the cubes.

When craps discussions arise that involve both pro and anti-DI, there is bound to be disagreement. So be it. Each of these groups seem to "know" that what they believe about the matter is factual, and that the other group is full of shit.

Arguing this point is of little benefit, as there are generally not many converts.

On top of this point of disagreement, there are multitude of ways that the game can be bet. The combination of bets that can be made are nearly infinite. Some bets are defined mathematically as being "better" than others, but in reality, it's a crap shoot.

By way of an example, take me playing a single line bet and odds this past Saturday. Up and down, eventually a \$200 loser. A guy walks in next to me nearly at the end of my misery, puts down two greens each on snakeyes and boxcars, gets a hit, and leaves with 15 blacks and 2 greens.

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2. eagleeye2, Oct 10, 2017

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KokomoJoe,

Do you think that ""Guy"" had ESP???

Or was just ""LUCKY""???

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3. KokomoJoe4, Oct 10, 2017

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Just one of those things that you see from time to time. I would call it luck EE, but who knows?

Funny thing is, I said to myself he'll probably get a hit, and he sure enough did. BTW, it was .

He tossed the crew a green and was gone after one roll.

Nice hit!

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4. random_roller, Oct 10, 2017

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I see quite a few players who make similar bets on their way out of the casino after playing another table game or at another craps table. They'll walk right to the craps table, throw down their 2 chips on a 1 roll bet and see what happens. Occasionally, they'll hit it big, but usually they lose (unless it's a Field Bet, where it's not quite the long shot). At that point, clearly it's not a big deal to them if they lose those bets, but if they win they're very happy.

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5. basicstrategy777, Oct 10, 2017

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6. Edward-ky, Oct 10, 2017

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My old boss would do that. Probably go by and toss a black on a 1 roll bet and most likely in the middle of someone tossing on a roll and pissing the entire table off. Don't know if he ever hit one or not.

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7. The Midnight Skulker, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:13 PM

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I also have seen a few one-decision bettors. Most bet the Field, presumably so as to get a decision quickly. The biggest such non-Field bet I have seen was \$1000 made by a guy who walked up to the table as a shooter was coming out and plopped cash on the Pass Line. "Seven, winner seven; pay the line." Base dealer spreads the cash, "Black out," and the guy heads for the cage.

John Patrick has a bet he calls Sayonara, which he offers as a bet to make as you're walking out the door. (I believe J.P. recommends it only when you are ahead, but I don't see why it could not also be used as a last hurrah to try to recoup some losses...providing of course you don't have to stop by the ATM to fund it!)

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