The Fire Bet

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  1. KokomoJoe4, Feb 4, 2014

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    Was curious as to how these work. Must say I have never placed one, but wanted to know how they pay out.

    Do winnings start with 4 different points made, or is it 5?

    Saw a few threads where people were protecting their winnings in the event that 6th point number needed never showed.

    What is the min and max allowed? Do you DI guys place this bet every time you handle the dice?
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, Feb 4, 2014

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    KokomoJoe4 -

    The below link should answer most of your questions regards the fire bet -

    http://www.dicecoach.com/coachcornersept04.asp

    AC, NJ allows a min of $1 and a max of $5 on a fire bet wager -

    Las Vegas allows a min of $1 and a max of $10 on a fire bet wager !

    $...eE..$


     
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  3. KokomoJoe4, Feb 4, 2014

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    Ty $...eE...$, exactly what I was hoping to learn. Not too shabby a collection for the player, but it's hard to believe it can be hit regularly.
     
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  4. mycoalsmith, Feb 4, 2014

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    Kokomojoe4- You have NEVER put money on the Firebet?

    One of the problems with the casinos around here, is you have to either place a Pass Line bet or a Don't Pass bet to include a Fire Bet. And you have to get in on the Firebet BEFORE a shooter rolls a point number. Kind of makes for expensive play when you are on a $10.00 table and your original bet doesn't pay off time after time.

    One way around that one is to make a Pass Line bet WITH the same amount of a Don't. You can make your Firebet and the casino can't say a word. In this way, the ONLY number that can get you on the Come Out roll is a 12 - you lose your Pass Line and have a push on the 12. Of course, you could even hedge that with a $1.00 twelve.

    In The Rivers and the Meadows the minimum Firebet is $1.00, with maximum being $5.00. Once the 4th point is made - you are now guaranteed a $25.00 for each $1.00 win. Get the 5th point, and you are now guaranteed a $250.00 for each $1.00 win. Get the 6th point, and you win a cool $1000.00 for each $1.00.

    In my 2 years of playing (and I don't always play the Fire, I've won 2 Four Point Fire's and 1 Five Point. I've never hit on a 6 Point, but I have seen them.

    The casino in Erie just started a Firebet last Summer. $1.00 Minimum, $1.00 Maximum.

    Up in Canada, the casinos allow you to play a Firebet only if you want to. I'm never played Craps in Atlantic City or Vegas but would assume all of them are a "Firebet WITH a Pass or Don't Pass.

    It's a long shot, but sure gets exciting when you have played the Firebet and the shooter has the 3rd Point and trying to get the 4th and on up!
     
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  5. wcf5016, Feb 4, 2014

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    I started playing craps Last September when a buddy of mine convinced me it was more fun than blackjack. On my second roll ever I threw a 6 point fire bet and only one person was playing it, but for $5. That's the first I learned about the fire bet and I've played $1 every shooter since. I have won a few 4 pointers but no 5 pointers. On Sunday my friend and I, the same one who was with me when I rolled the 6 pointer, were playing at the hollywood in Columbus and a guy walked up to the table and the first time he picked up the dice rolled all 6 points. He hit for $5000 and my friend and I both hit for $1000, everyone went crazy and there were a ton of people there watching cause we had been yelling for a while now. It was so surreal actually winning it this time instead of just rolling one. I can't believe that a lot of people will never see all 6 points thrown and I've seen it twice in about 6 months!! From now on when I'm at the casino with my friend I'm always putting $5 on the fire bet, cause us shooting together must be good luck.
     
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  6. KokomoJoe4, Feb 5, 2014

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    I would think this a common bet for the DI guys, and I see ALOT of players throw down a buck on damned near every shooter.


    As more of a math guy than a lucky charm, the bet doesn't appeal much to me. Granted $5 could earn you 5K, but if six of ANY established points hit in a row with my play, don't feel too badly for me not being on the fire. Just from semi-aggressive progressive play, I'm collecting a minimum of 2.5K from just the flat bet/odds.


    Don't sweat it mycoalsmith, I'll put down a couple of bucks on the fire when you are pitching.
     
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  7. mycoalsmith, Feb 5, 2014

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    Before you place that Firebet on me, just realize that out of the 3 different Firebet payoffs I've had in my 2 year history of playing, I was the shooter on only ONE of those!
     
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  8. mycoalsmith, Feb 8, 2014

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    Hey Kokomojoe, I was just down in your neck of the woods yesterday (The Rivers casino) and happened to be involved with a 4 point Firebet. (I wasn't the shooter.) That $25.00 chip made up for the one they took away from me when I lost my $25.00 Match Play coupon! They still ended up with more of my cash before I left though.

    But it does happen every so often.
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, Feb 10, 2014

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    Just to prove to myself that it can be done, haven't been at the casino since Jan 24th. Can't say I even miss it. This is a more certain way to ensure one holds on to a few bucks.

    Mycoalsmith, just noticed that our planned meet-up date is the one year anniver of my last big win at the tables. Had a $1875 winner on 2/22, and lost $900 on the last 7-out that day.

    Keep in touch to let me know what time and where you want to meet on the 22nd.
     
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  10. Lifeisacrapshoot, Feb 10, 2014

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    Hello KokomoJoe,

    Congrats on your upcoming anniversary! I haven't been to the casino in a few months, but I can tell you this, I've never seen so many Fire Bet winners in my life as I've seen at the Horseshoe Casino in Hammond, IN, especially in 2011, 2012 and the early part of 2013. I don't know what it is about that place, but it's a phenomenon to say the least. I've been there when men have hit 2 6 point fires in a row. I've won some nice money off of other shooters and I've hit the Fire several times myself. I learned how to play craps at the Horseshoe and was practically talked through a fire by a wonderful Box-woman. She kept me calm and genuinely wanted me to do well. I learned how to block out all distractions, even if someone spilled a drink on me. "Expect the unexpected", as the saying goes. I never forgot her for that. As the shooter, I've hit the 4 points more than 5 times, 2 times on 5 points and 1 time in Vegas on 6 points at The Paris on Sept. 10, 2012. I took home $5213.00 and have a copy of that check still. I bought into that table for $20.00 give or take a few bucks. I've told this before and I just wish I had known that I could've put $10.00 on the fire in Vegas. Nobody told me and I unwittingly thought that all casinos took a max fire bet of $5.00. Live and learn. I always took a fire bet on myself, even if only $2.00 just in case. St. Patrick's Day 2012 was great for me, too.

    I wish you much luck and skill the next time you play :)

    Lifeisacrapshoot (Pam)


     
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  11. KokomoJoe4, Feb 10, 2014

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    Wow, congrats on the nice winner Pam. Turning $20 into $5200 is quite a feat! You obviously know how to pitch.

    Did they tax you up front on your winner? Some have said this is done automatically w/ a big win on the fire.

    I've had a couple of slightly less than 1K winners this past year, but have to go back several years to my two best sessions.
    Lately, I don't even want to talk about results : - (



     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, Mar 9, 2015

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    Snakeyes,

    In the thread on crappy dice you mentioned a 9K payday for you and your significant other. Wow!

    If you don't mind my asking, how much of the total was due to the fire bet win and how much to your being on the box numbers which were obviously showing in spades at that time?
     
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  13. mycoalsmith, Mar 16, 2015

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    Hey Kokomojoe4!!

    This year's 02/22 was spent up North - Salamanca and Presque Isle. I did make it down to The Rivers on the 28th to get my birthday gift - and was informed you now have to be there ON your birthday. I did have $20.00 in a food coupon so got a free buffet.

    I think I will heading down March 26 but it's an evening trip - I'll be at The Meadows most of the evening and then will hit The Rivers on the way past.

    Sometime I know when I'll have time at The Rivers I'll let you know so we can maybe meet again!

    I haven't been able to play much lately.

    And hey, if you want to really play the Firebet, you can get around their rule by playing both the Pass and Don't Pass. 1 out of 36 rolls you are expected to lose due to the 12 showing.

    The last time I was down at The Meadows, I saw 3 tables within a very short time all have winning Fire bets. I think the 2 tables only got to 4 points, but the one table made it to the 5th.
     
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  14. INVISIBLE HAND, Mar 16, 2015

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    Worst bets you can make a table 1firebets 2 any 1 roll bets 3 big red 4 field 5 big 6&8 dont make any of these bets unless your doing an iron cross then you of course need the field
     
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    With your aggressive betting style you would be one dangerous DI. Surprised you never pursued it
     
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  16. KokomoJoe4, Mar 17, 2015

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    Hi Mike,

    I'll be headed in tomorrow for a quickie after work. Can't make it on the 26th as the next day is a very early one at the office.

    Last time in or perhaps the one before that, I had one nice toss where I made a 5-pointer but wasn't on the fire. Have played it a couple of times since this thread started up a year ago, but hardly ever do.
     
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  17. KokomoJoe4, Mar 17, 2015

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    Surprisingly for me, as a long-time skeptic on the matter, since learning "dice speak" from Linaway, I have experimented shooting from a variety of different sets, and am currently switching my delivery from a stacked position to the more standard symmetrical spin.

    Not long ago, would have considered myself an idiot for "practicing" the random activity that is shooting the dice. Don't do it much, but occasionally find myself practicing just to see what comes out from what set. I seriously doubt this will transfer from the practice table to the casino.

    Still a skeptic, but attitudes evolve with experiences. An improved shooter I seem to be, but a good shooter I am not.
     
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  18. $nakeEye$, Mar 17, 2015

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    " LuckyLady " threw a 5 point fire-bet winner -

    That paid $ 250 for each $1 bet -

    She and I each had the max bet of $10 each on it -

    Which was a total of $2500 each -

    Which was $5K -

    We probably lost back between $500 and $1K before we decided to color up -

    As the table changed for the worse after the big hand !

    $...eE..$
     
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  19. INVISIBLE HAND, Mar 17, 2015

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    Its the worst bet you can make fire bets are for gamblers not advantage players stick to the basics and keep stacken leave the firebets and 1 roll bets to superrick and his fanboys lol
     
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  20. KokomoJoe4, Mar 18, 2015

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    Handjob,

    Don't much give a shit about the fire bet myself, so we us two here have that in common.

    What is an advantage player? Do such players have access to the executive washroom?

    Since you are a big bettor, can you send an autograph?
     
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