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Discussion in 'Offtopic Lounge' started by basicstrategy777, May 21, 2018.
Ok, let's see a time line, and be sure to name your source .
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Da Duck, is only trying to set the record straight. No preconceived agenda, just give me the facts. Let's see where it takes us. You guys didn't do so good on the furniture thing, so this is a chance to make amends.
ETRAYAL IN BENGHAZI
The gross violation of the U.S. Military's sacred combat code.
May 29, 2013
Colonel Phil Handley
The combat code of the US Military is that we don’t abandon our dead or wounded on the battlefield. In US Air Force lingo, fighter pilots don’t run off and leave their wingmen. If one of our own is shot down, still alive and not yet in enemy captivity, we will either come to get him or die trying. Among America’s fighting forces, the calm, sure knowledge that such an irrevocable bond exists is priceless. Along with individual faith and personal grit, it is a sacred trust that has often sustained hope in the face of terribly long odds.
The disgraceful abandonment of our Ambassador and those brave ex-SEALs who fought to their deaths to save others in that compound is nothing short of dereliction-of-duty. Additionally, the patently absurd cover-up scenario that was fabricated in the aftermath was an outright lie in attempt to shield the President and the Secretary of State from responsibility.
It has been over eight months since the attack on our compound in Benghazi. The White House strategy, with the aid of a “lap dog press” has been to run out the clock before the truth is forthcoming. The recent testimonies of the three “whistle blowers” have reopened the subject and hopefully will lead to exposure and disgrace of those responsible for this embarrassing debacle.
It would appear that the most recent firewall which the Administration is counting on is the contention that there were simply no military assets that could be brought to bear in time to make a difference… mainly due to the unavailability of tanker support for fighter aircraft. This is simply BS, regardless how many supposed “experts” the Administration trot out to make such an assertion. The bottom line is that even if the closest asset capable of response was half-way around the world, you don’t just sit on your penguin *** and do nothing. The fact is that the closest asset was not half-way around the world, but as near as Aviano Air Base, Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs are based.
Consider the following scenario (all times Benghazi local):
When Hicks in Tripoli receives a call at 9:40 PM from Ambassador Stevens informing him “Greg, we are under attack!” (his last words), he immediately notifies all agencies and prepares for the immediate initiation of an existing “Emergency Response Plan.” At AFRICON, General Carter Ham attempts to mount a rescue effort, but is told to “stand down.” By 10:30 PM an unarmed drone is overhead the compound and streaming live feed to various Command and Control Agencies… and everyone watching that feed knew damn well what was going on. At 11:30 PM Woods, Doherty and five others leave Tripoli, arriving in Benghazi at 1:30 AM on Wednesday morning, where they hold off the attacking mob from the roof of the compound until they are killed by a mortar direct hit at 4:00 AM.
So nothing could have been done, eh? Nonsense. If one assumes that tanker support really was not available… what about this:
· When at 10:00 PM AFRICON alerts the 31st TFW Command Post in Aviano Air Base, Italy of the attack, the Wing Commander orders preparation for the launch of two F-16s and advises the Command Post at NAS Sigonella to prepare for hot pit refueling and quick turn of the jets.
· By 11:30 PM, two F-16Cs with drop tanks and each armed with five hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne. Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover the 522 nautical miles directly to NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours.
· While in-route, the flight lead is informed of the tactical situation, rules of engagement, and radio frequencies to use.
· The jets depart Sigonella at 1:10 AM with full fuel load and cover the 377 nautical miles directly to Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at 1:50 AM… which would be 20 minutes after the arrival of Woods, Doherty and their team.
· Providing that the two F-16s initial pass over the mob, in full afterburner at 200 feet and 550 knots did not stop the attack in its tracks, only a few well placed strafing runs on targets of opportunity would assuredly do the trick.
· Were the F-16s fuel state insufficient to recover at Sigonelli after jettisoning their external drop tanks, they could easily do so at Tripoli International Airport, only one-half hour away.
· As for those hand-wringing naysayers who would worry about IFR clearances, border crossing authority, collateral damage, landing rights, political correctness and dozens of other reasons not to act… screw them. It is high time that our “leadership” get their priorities straight and put America’s interests first.
The end result would be that Woods and Doherty would be alive.
Dozens in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing with “72 virgins”… and a clear message would have been sent to the next worthless POS terrorist contemplating an attack on Americans that it is not really a good idea to “tug on Superman’s cape.”
Of course all this would depend upon a Commander In Chief who was more concerned with saving the lives of those he put in harm’s way than getting his crew rest for a campaign fund raising event in Las Vegas the next day. As well as a Secretary of State that actually understood “What difference did it make?”, or a Secretary of Defense whose immediate response was not to the effect that “One of the military tenants is that you don’t commit assets until you fully understand the tactical situation.” Was he not watching a live feed from the unarmed drone… and he didn’t understand the tactical situation? YGBSM!
Ultimately it comes down to the question of who gave that order to “stand down?” Whoever that coward turns out to be should be exposed, removed from office, and face criminal charges for dereliction of duty. The combat forces of the United States of America deserve leadership that really does “have their back” when the chips are down.
Colonel Phil “Hands” Handley, USAF (Ret.) is credited with the highest speed air-to-air gun kill in the history of aerial combat. He flew operationally for all but 11 months of a 26-year career, in aircraft such as the F-86 Sabre, F-15 Eagle, and the C-130A Hercules. Additionally, he flew 275 combat missions during two tours in Southeast Asia in the F-4D and F-4E. His awards include 21 Air Medals, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and the Silver Star.
So this is your conclusion you came to..alright duck honest people like you know what is yours and what isn't yours period...now you have come to the conclusion that the clintons would return or pay for any disputes...why would you want to return or pay for something that you honestly know is yours..and know I ask myself why a person like you who tries to amaze us with your brilliance (which you have at times) and then baffle us with your bullshit does this if you truly believe what you have said in this post well I am not knocking it if you truly believe...but I do know this you need your hand held when you cross the street for you see Von Duck geniuses get killed everyday trying to cross the street
Because of the he said she said stuff, it's not real clear, what happened, and I'm pretty sure that Hillary didn't personally pack the moving truck herself. The whole thing seems somewhat frivolous to me, but, I do believe, that Bill, should have to pay, to have his seman stains, removed from any of the returned items. Fair is fair.
Hey BJ, looks like your "boy" is caving on his immigration stance. He needs to know he's playin in the big leagues now, against real liberals, so he's got to learn to stand his ground. I knew when that Kim dude "backed him down" at the "summit", that the sharks would smell blood, and start closing in. His next move is gonna be switch to the Democratic Party, so he can run again, with practically no competition.
Von I ask you again. That little world of yours.
Look up for a second... What color???
Conspiracy theorists (and conspiracy factists) are running wild as infamously outspoken former Secret Service agent Gary Byrne has filed a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) suit against what some call the Democrat Deep State.
Defendants in the case include:
CLINTON FOUNDATION, CLINTON-GIUSTRA ENTERPRISE PARTNERSHIP, MEDIA MATTERS FOR AMERICA, CORRECT THE RECORD, AMERICAN BRIDGE 21ST CENTURY, CITIZENS FOR RESPONSIBILITY AND ETHICS IN WASHINGTON, SHAREBLUE, DAVID BROCK, WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, GEORGE SOROS, JOHN PODESTA,JONATHAN WACKROW, JAN GILOOLY and CLINTON GLOBAL INITIATIVE.
Depends on the weather conditions, and the time of day.
It is the nature of all government, to be corrupt, or maybe, just those that seek to be that government. You owe nobody, any blind faith, you owe it to yourself, and to your fellow citizens, to be as informed as possible. Special interests have seized the media, making it very difficult to be an accuratlly informed citizen, and it's no accident, it's the way both sides want it. There is no place left to run, we need to find workable solutions, or we face the desolation of war, once again, and they won't fight by the rules you choose, they'll make there own.
This is only the tip of the iceberg with these two,It would take years and a day to post what they got a way with..... terrible people
Yes, yes you did, and, you have no excuse. Unlike BJ, you have a brain, but you refuse to USE it, and that is truly a shame, Ma'am/Sir whatever.
The only thing they ever "pinned" on al, was tax evasion. Know anybody else that went to Alcatraz, for "tax evasion"? Had a granddaughter that inhaled a grape, she was within an inch of her life, before her father, was able to dislodge it, you don't need to tell me about grapes, or anything else ass head.
A quick look at the provided link, tells me that this is biased reporting. Of any statements made, though perhaps true, I don't believe they represent the "truth", as in the whole truth. I doubt seriously if this "RICO" suit will get very far, but time will tell. Many of these photos, you "guys" post, are phony in their nature, and could even be called lies. The subject matter, i.e. The integrity of government agencies, and the institution of the presidency, are important, and you should try to sort out, what is real, and what is bullshit. Who's to say this Gary Byrne guy, isn't bought and paid for by some special interest. Who can we now trust to investigate anything? We seem to have corruption everywhere, and no way to get a handle on it. We are in deep shit, and I doubt if trump is any solution.