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Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by gargoil, May 3, 2015.

  1. Dave G Ct, May 9, 2015

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    Yes a lot of jerks at the table . I certainly am willing to try it. I will try the one without that screeching woman.
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, May 9, 2015

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    I would be really to try it but not with that screeching woman yelling every time I intend to shoot. Lol
     
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  3. driglaz, May 9, 2015

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    so now to achieve di you need to be a professional gambler & quit your day job? what about di for the recreational gambler?
     
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  4. TDVegas, May 9, 2015

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    Why does Tiger Woods play professionally and not for recreation? Why does anyone who has a money making skill stay being an amateur or recreational for life? Who doesn't like money? Who wouldn't relish the opportunity to be a professional gambler? No time clocks, no late meetings, no proposals due, no demanding boss. Are you kidding? I'm not suggesting you do it to achieve DI...you're already there. Now go do for big bucks. Buy the wife diamonds. Yourself a Ferrari. Sleep in on Monday if you like.
     
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  5. driglaz, May 9, 2015

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    IT IS CALLED BEING REALISTIC. WAKE UP AND DRINK YOUR COFFEE. For me DI is an aid to play longer, lose less often, and tilt the odds in my favor via a skill.

    DO NOT think for a minute that doing this as a professional gambler is easy it is not, it is a ton of work, it is a job. Like any other job, your on the schedule, you think the professional DI tries to win 1 million in a night to buy the wife diamonds and a new Ferrari at the WYNN dealership then take a few months off? NOT SO, they grind it out winning several times a day or hits his/her realistic win goal daily. No time clocks, are you kidding? the professional gambler is more discipline than most employees. no time clock, your thoughts are funny. your understanding of di application is lacking expertise and wisdom. you maybe good craps player but are once again wrong. The professional gambler has a job, and works hard out at, they travel more, and have the most demanding boss of them all (themselves to report too)

    Sometimes after i play and i win i think what i just did was work and it is work to archive any level of success in DI. It is like a 2nd job. And the 1st job pays much better. Craps is a game that you can win and lose a lot in a short period of time depending how you bet and how much money you risk. Setting unrealistic expectations is just not worth my time.
     
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  6. TDVegas, May 9, 2015

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    You don't get it. You just don't get it. If what you say above is true...you grind it out. Great. Now grind it out at higher betting levels achieved thru increased bankroll that you have made with your advantage. A slow, steady progression up as you utilize your skill--not in 1 day but over years of play. $1 betting to $2 to $4 and upward and onward. Soon, betting $400 on 6 & 8 is childs play because you have built up your stake and bankroll is now $5,000 when you go. You DO have the advantage, right? You DO know what the advantage is, right? You claiming DI, you must know what it is you can actually do with the dice to tilt the edge in your favor? Soon, $500 bets are only a comparison to your bankroll, like a $5 bet is to a $50 bankroll.

    You don't get it and likely never will. Advantage play is advantage play. Use it to the fullest extent. Only an idiot would continue to play meager amounts with an advantage.

    the only thing lacking is your ability to understand your advantage and use it for maximum payback.
     
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  7. TDVegas, May 9, 2015

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    If this statement is 100% true, then you have just won the lottery. The problem is...you don't seem to know it.
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, May 9, 2015

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    Heavy today talked about DI success. Out of 1000 players who try it 80% fail for some reason. That leaves 132 player who have a degree of short term success.Then they go back to bad habits- bad betting stategy- betting on RR' heavily- lazy practice habits .That leaves maybe 32 players who are able to maintain long term success - 3.2%. Not that easy is it TD?
     
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  9. TDVegas, May 9, 2015

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    First off, Heavy doesn't have 1000 students to make this statement and judgement. If the remaining 20% have the skill AND ACTUALLY KNOW the results of that skill---there is absolutely no reason to make bad bets or bad betting strategy. You bet the numbers that you can influence. That takes a brain surgeon? Why would I bet on random rollers if I can bet on myself and have an advantage? Look for empty tables or slow tables. There are 1000's here in Vegas. No reason to stand on a packed table and wait.

    Heavy's numbers are garbage guesswork---He's not following these guys around in MS, AZ, MI, NJ, NY, CT after a lesson. He's not scrutinizing betting strategies after they go home and he goes back to Texas. How is he coming up with 80%-----20%---3.2%? The numbers sound plucked out of air.

    His Vegas upcoming weekend of classes has 6 total posts---from 3 weeks ago. Where are these 1000 players? In fact, I'd love to know what casino here in Vegas he's selling his snake oil to go and watch these guys at the table. A casual observer. Anyone know if he lists table times? and location?
     
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    td, I think we can let it rest with the DI stuff.

    It defies all logic, and anything that makes any sense to any human being alive, to just not use a skill that people say can beat the casinos, and just bet enough to win 50 thousand a night.
    Why on earth argue with non believers here or anywhere else?

    Just go do it and if you feel guilty taking so much money from the casinos, donate it to some childrens charity or some cancer charity, then you can sleep better at night knowing what a wonderful human being you are.

    Just do it.

    Just do it.

    Just go win.
     
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  11. superrick, May 9, 2015

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    PM me and I can tell you where they will be playing, but I wouldn't waste my time going there!
     
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  12. Dave G Ct, May 9, 2015

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    For one that does not believe in DI you sure seems to know what is happening in their world. Heavy coming into town to teach a class. Gee TD you are right on it!
     
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  13. DeMango, May 10, 2015

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    I just want to know when SR and MP are gonna square off on a private table at the MGM. Ringside seats should go for a pretty penny.
     
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  14. driglaz, May 10, 2015

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    Why don't casino's run more craps tournaments?
     
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  15. Harley, May 10, 2015

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    Heavy's success rate according to his own testimony = 3.2% o_O

    Garbage in = Garbage out
     
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  16. DeMango, May 11, 2015

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    Why it can be 3.2% is easily answered. Compare this board with bj21.com, boards hosted by Norm or Arnold. Truly garbage in, garbage out.
     
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  17. Onautopilot, May 12, 2015

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    I am not amazed at all by the very low percentage of players that may achieve some success at DI, actually, I would be amazed if any actually achieved success at it!

    "If you decide to send your ducks to eagle school, be prepared for some very disappointing results!"
     
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  18. TDVegas, May 12, 2015

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    How is the 3.2% even being quantified? Can't we just ask a DI to toss 1,000 tosses over a month long period and he tells us what numbers he will influence and let the results stand on their own. All these teaching schools prosper because nothing can be quantified or verified.
     
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  19. Dave G Ct, May 12, 2015

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    You are right the 3.2% is a guess . I think he wants to get across just how hard it is to be consistent.As to schools DI is just one type. There are classes on just betting approaches for craps , roulette. Black Jack, and I would imagine poker. Money to be made! I knew someone who flew to LV to take a Little Joe class for $900. He had one good hand there but when he got back to Ct it was not effective. I get emails every month from a player called Snake promoting these classes
     
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  20. Twelve4s, Jun 27, 2018

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    Missing the Pilot and his insightful posts.
     
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