# The 2016 Biased Dice Conspiracy - Redux by Heavy

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Craps Poopshoot, Jan 3, 2016.

1. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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TDVegas,

You talk in CIRCLES in the above post!

You appear to need to take Reading 101 & then re-read my post, repeated below to save looking for it:

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My conclusion as posted previously follows:
""Bottom line, where Biased Dice are in Play, you have two choices:

1) Walk away & look for a Casino That employs STRAIGHT Dice.

2) Bet only from the "Don't Side"

Yes, that is the BOTTOM LINE OF BIASED DICE, Period!""
The Above is directly from Post # 186 on this thread!

Now, I prefaced items #1 & # 2 with ""where Biased Dice are in Play, you have two choices:"" What, you MISSED That?

Yes, that is my opinion, you appear to have half a dozen opinion choices, none of which are logical!

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2. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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VISUALIZATION is the very FIRST step in problem solving!

You appear to be totally lacking therein!

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3. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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Again, Re-Read my Post # 198 on this thread. I repeat it here to avoid the folks from having to dig it up.

Within this post, I spell out the Possibilities of selecting Biased vs Non Biased Dice from a group of 5 provided to you at a Craps Table.

""midnight & Onautopilot,

To dig into all possibilities, when choosing from a set of numerous dice ( typically 5 in Craps); we have to deal with each possibility of Combinations Separately, here are the possible combinations, selecting two Dice, from a random set of biased & straight Dice:

1) Select Two Non Biased Dice

2) Select One Biased & One Non Biased Dice

3) Select Two Biased Dice

Of course, the relative frequency of each of the above would be dependant upon the ratio of Biased to Straight Dice, & could prohibit some selections, dependent upon the ratio of the two, which we do not know.

#1 above) In this case we have a STRAIGHT set of Dice & the "Normal table of House Takes" (Link provided here: ( www.crapsage.com/craps_payouts.php ) applies. No change from normal occurs here.

#2 above) In this case we have One Biased Dice, that by definition has one face, somehow, heavier than the other 5 faces. This face, by definition, statistically lands down at a higher frequency than do the other five faces. This violates the concept of ""Equal likelihood, that each of the SIX Sides, or Faces, of Each Die, will show up on any single roll"". Regardless of the resultant up #, which now shows up @ a higher Frequency, it must pair up with a Random Dice # from 1 to 6, on the non biased dice, thereby providing a Statistically Higher Number of 7's than that which would occur with Straight Dice. More Sevens = Faster Loss for the Do Better, No contest here.

#3 above) Here, we have Two Biased Dice, which complicates the situitation somewhat. We now have two Biased Dice, which each have a face somehow Heavier than the other faces of the same dice. By definition, these heavier faces land down at a statistically higher frequency than do the other faces of the same dice.

As opposite sides of a Die add to 7, to obtain a 7 here, we need to get one of the Heavier sides to land up & match with the higher frequency of the lighter side up, that we are guaranteed to get from the biased Dice combination.

This dichotomy of sides may appear to cancel out, but it does NOT, as that HEAVIER side, will tilt the Die over, when that dice lands on the bottom lighter corners due to Gravity. This gives a small edge to 7'ng out for two Biased Dice. Again, More Sevens = Faster Loss for the Do Better, Case closed.""
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4. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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Onautopilot,

1) Drop

2) Hold

3) Handle

Myself & many others need explicit definitions of the above, from someone, that has been in the Casino business.

Lastly, provide your view of why "Table Hold has Risen from 14-18% to thhe 20%" that continues to be published by posters here on this thread?

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5. Onautopilot, Jan 22, 2016

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Almost any experienced craps player probably understands all those terms, if you don't, go research them for yourself.

As for how much the casino is making off their craps games for any reporting period, many factors are in play....if you look up the various casino revenue reports, you will still see the hold numbers on craps are running around the 14-18% range.

Some factors that could be effecting the hold....adding fire bets, small & tall bets, changing the field to 2 X pay on both 2-12, changing 15 to 1 to 15 for 1, promotions, junkets, raising table minimums etc. etc. (cheating by introducing bias dice is not one of those factors....at least variations in hold numbers is certainly no proof, or even an indication of that!)

I don't think you will get it.

My only contention with your bias dice opinions, was not that bias dice might be in play somewhere, but rather your analysis of the effects of bias dice, and your advice concerning that.

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6. Onautopilot, Jan 22, 2016

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The only problem here, is your lack of understanding, as relates to bias dice.

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7. TDVegas, Jan 22, 2016

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You must be miserable when playing this game. Really, I don't see how anyone who is so focused, so worried, so consumed by the dice being rigged...can actually enjoy playing craps. It's actually very strange that you even play--or gamble at all.

If you walk into the casino with that kind of paranoia that you seem to have over these two little plastic cubes...I wonder what else in the casino drives you nuts? You must be beside yourself with mental questions at a table. Who the hell could even enjoy the game?

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8. Pressit, Jan 22, 2016

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Just think of all these endless debates will all come to an end when the casinos rid themselves of crap tables and go totally Bubble Craps. No Captain, no DI, no bias...oh wait the bias will remain.

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9. TDVegas, Jan 22, 2016

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Hey, hey...I'm already working on a bubble influence book. I might even offer a course. Just finished chapter 1.

"Push the button"---The Soft-Touch Approach

Chapter 2

"Analyzing the Dice"---The Wear and Tear

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10. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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Onautopillot,

As is normal for you, you haveFAILED to answer Questions asked of you, DUH...

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11. Pressit, Jan 22, 2016

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I thought Liman had that cornered? LOL

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12. TDVegas, Jan 22, 2016

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13. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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TDVegas,

I PLAy to WIN, not lose at CRAPS!

If you truly believe that walking up to a Craps Table; scanning half a dozen or more players shots, then making that decision to Insert Your Own \$\$\$ into the game, on The Do or Don't side, or walk away; looking for better opportunities elsewhere is a waste of time, then IMHO, YOU are a guaranteed loser @ Craps!

For me, that 1/2 Hour observation & analysis time, simply allows me to have a better chance of WINNING, which is my objective for Playing Craps in the First Place.

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14. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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TDVegas & Onautopilot,

Re-Post Just ONE of those So Called Answers!

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15. eagleeye2, Jan 22, 2016

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16. SevenOut, Jan 22, 2016

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Lost part of my bankroll at the Railroad Station Casino just outside of Boulder City, NV.... Biased Dice.

Won my Railroad Station Casino loss and pocket change at the Silverton Casino in Henderson, NV... Dice Control.

I use to collect Casino Cancelled dice. Try getting one or a pair at any Casino that, today, are not drilled. Rather than a star, circle or ice pick cancel, the drilled hole through the Five or Ace makes testing the dice bias worthless.

Biased Dice in New Jersey? If you are picking up loose sticks of five same serial numbered dies from any current Casino... someone is looking to be arrested. All used dice are cancelled with a drill hole. I happen to have Atlantic City, NJ dice that are new, uncancelled and from a number of Casinos.

Are they biased? Of course they are.

Does it affect my Craps Game? Only if I lose.

Biased Dice, biased Cards and biased roulette balls... play the bias and become a winner rather than a whiner.

Lots of new members for 2015. Great for the Forum. Many appear to be on top of things. Some... the same old Craps Degenerates that I saw playing the \$1 minimum Pass Line wagers at the Railroad Pass Casino in Henderson, NV. One control shooter practicing with a \$1 Pass Line wager, no other bets on a 14 foot table by himself.

Beat their 2X Odds? Place the point for 4X. The Railroad Pass Casino is one of the few with a \$1 minimum Pass Line, 2X Odds game. Purely for the suckers who do not Place Bet the front line after point for 4X. Shooter... Pass Line \$1 and Place the rest on the Line. If it is a 5 or 9, 2X odds pays 3 to 2. Play smart. Play the bias. Quit when you have had enough.

There is a bias even in the token coins made by the US Mint. Everything has a tolerance to be considered within compliance. How fine you want this compliance is important for Gold, less so for Silver and for the clad coins... who cares?

Craps is not complicated until you have your chips on the cloth. Spectators are cheap cousins to those actually playing. If I had a way to beat any Casino at their own game... the secret would die with me, as would every hard earned winnings.

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17. TDVegas, Jan 22, 2016

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Strange. You spend a LOT of time here bitching and moaning instead.

LOL...watching 6 rolls and determining bias dice.

You're out there. Waaaaay out there.
Stay in Texas. Safer than losing here in Vegas for you.

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18. Onautopilot, Jan 22, 2016

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I am under no obligation to answer all of your questions, nor do I feel the need to do so.....especially the ones I deem are fabricated by you to bolster your flawed thinking.

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19. Onautopilot, Jan 22, 2016

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In this case, you are half right!

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20. Onautopilot, Jan 22, 2016

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Why? You are not looking for answers, you are desperately trying to defend an un-defendable position.

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