The 2016 Biased Dice Conspiracy - Redux by Heavy

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  1. Craps Poopshoot, Jan 3, 2016

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    The below was posed by Heavy on his forums. It is reposted here UNEDITED though with my comments added. PLEASE ADD YOUR OWN COMMENTS

    I am citing the Fair Use act for the purposes of Education and Criticism. I am sure Heavy will disagree and complain however... That is how he tends to operate.

    Part 1

    Heavy Writes:
    Heavy though the years has outright banned any 'real' discussion on this issue. He first will ridicule the members who bring this up and use subtle threats that their membership may be terminated if they continue.

    Those who actually bring up any documented proof or show though video that the dice are biased, are simply kicked banned from his forums, as many members of Crapsforum has experienced themselves.

    In the case of Harley, it is unclear as to what actually transgressed, where once Harley and Heavy where good friends. Heavy on his forums has personally attacked 'name removed by administrator' aka Harley and continued the personal attacks on him well after he kicked/banned Harley and attacks those who also support the Bias Dice argument by calling them 'The Short Dice Crew' - apparently in reference to those who ride the Short Bus, or as Heavy would see it, as deficient persons. He then unleashed his supporters such as $nakeEye$ and other to attack Harley on other forums, post Harley's images as their avatars and spreading malicious untrue statements about Harley only to try and discredit the Bias Dice claims.

    The issue Heavy brings up about 'cyber-stalking my teenage daughter last year' is yet unclear and ambiguous statement and just further examples of Heavy’s all out attack on Harleyusing any means possible.

    Had Heavy actually attempted to file any complaint, I am certain he most likely he would have been found of guilty of ‘Filing a false complaint’, and ‘abuse of process’ where a person uses government agencies to harass others.



    Midwest Gaming only manufactures a very small percentage of dice they sell for specialty needs, and resells dice made in China, Korea and Mexico to the casinos in bulk. They simply add the serial numbers and brand to the dice they buy elsewhere.

    Here Heavy admits that he ‘He does not know’ if GPI (one of the largest dice manufactures) makes quality dice. His belief is just that, a belief, just as he believes he can ‘Control the Dice’ too.

    He wants you to just Believe him because he says for you to believe him.

    Heavy’s appeal to an ambiguous authority ‘table game supervisors’ is spurious at best. First, TGS have no idea what a balancing caliper even is! These are not used casinos, and even the Nevada Gaming Commission has ONE caliper they use and it is up in the Carson City crime lab. TGS only use a micrometer to ensure the dice are equal on all sides, as per Nevada State law.

    Heavy’s assertion that the calipers and dice testing was done inaccurately is based solely on his own authority that is based on what? Nothing. He simply wants his believers to ‘believe him’ and continue to believe him.

    He know that if the truth of bias dice was to take hold, it would end his dice school and then who would pay for his casino vacations and buy-ins? WHO?
     
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  2. Craps Poopshoot, Jan 3, 2016

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    Part 2

    No, we simply see heavy running a cult, and scamming people. The evidence of Bias Dice is overwhelming and people who we do not know are posting on many forums the ‘oddities’ that they see with the Craps rolls on the tables.

    Wrong again. Nevada State Law has no requirements as to where the casinos can buy the dice from, and dice made outside of Nevada are not held to the Nevada State laws of gambling equipment manufacturing.

    The law in Nevada says that the Casino cannot alter the dice, however if the casino buys poorly constructed dice from an unregulated manufacture ,that just happen to roll funny, there is simply nothing that the Nevada gaming commission can do.

    A few States have laws about Dice face weight, and an approved list of gambling equipment manufactures that do a good job at preventing bad dice from being on the tables.

    Again, Heavy just wants you to ‘believe him’ without offering any proof or citing any existing law that would prove his points.

    Heavy has no formal training or occupational experience to be an expert on testing and scientific studies.

    Many of the persons who spent the time to track suspected bad dice have multiple Ph’D in Math and Engineering and have stated that 500 to 1000 collected rolls is enough of a sample to make a determination.

    WRONG. There is no TSG that uses calipers. All that they do is unwrap the dice from the manufacture packaging, then measure the dice with a micrometer to ensure that each die is the same size (as per state laws requires) and that the serial numbers all match. This takes about 3 minutes time for the TSG who find the whole task boring.

    Wrong. Modern dice can actually thrive on the Craps felt for weeks without signs of any wear. Dice made long ago could be ‘burned’ because they where made from light weight cellulose and the pips where silk-screened on. That actually was a fair dice back in the day.

    Modern dice the pips are machine drilled in to the die, filled in with the same materials used in golf balls. This process inherently makes the die biased to the six face. Machine drilling can also make the depths of the pips variable and create a dice that the balance of gravity is off centered and this will have the net action to increase the house edge approximately 2%
     
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    part 3

    Investigators of the bias dice issue have gone to the Gift shop to buy the canceled dice, where the entire 5 dice are obtained, and it was found that 3 of the 5 dice are biased. Close examination with a magnifying lens shows that the pips on dice that are ‘fair’ are more shallow than those that are suspected as ‘bias’.

    When dice are manufactured, the serial number and logo is the last process performed on the dice before they are wrapped up and shipped. Otherwise these dice sit in bins unwrapped and waiting for orders. Who is to say that 3 dice from one bad batch and two from another good batch are not serialized and branded then wrapped up to make one stick.

    Heavy does not know and again he just wants you to ‘believe him’.

    Not True. The white PIP material used in all dice is much heavier than the dice body itself. Go cut dice faces off from a stick of dice and weigh them. You will see that the six face is much heavier than he one face.

    Anyone with a garage and tools can do this themselves.

    Again, heavy provides no proof and only ask you to BELIEVE HIM.

    This is heavy old argument, in that if the dice are biased why not then makes a fortune with the Don’ts.

    Bias dice can be biased to the Six /Five face and this produces a higher than normal Yo’s, outsides and Craps rolls. The Yo and Seven on a come-out roll can be harmful to the Don’ts player and with bias dice this happens plenty. Bias dice are more prone to hit the outsides, so those odds on the four and ten 2:1 really hurt when they hit far more than they should.

    Playing Don’ts with no odds and hedging your DC with odds on the DP before it travels, does give the Don’ts player a slight advantage with such dice in play, though the grind is brutal. There are crews that play don’ts in casinos where such dice are in play. These casinos are sweaty grind joints, $3 to $5 tables with $200 to $500 max bet – and the comps for such play is ‘spit and shit’. Is that really going to be worth someone’s time to grind out there day after day? And if the casino uses 3 bias dice and two fair dice in a stick, then the don’ts player cannot rely that every roll of the dice will produce the same results. Its an ass kicking in the making.

    Lastly, very few players play don’ts. The casino that uses bad dice may simply feels that the risk is worth the reward!
     
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    Part 4

    All you have to do is look up the monthly and quarter Nevada gaming Revenue reports to see the truth. Craps should have a hold of 14% with fair dice. Where the hold is above 20% is where you can suspect bias dice in play. Craps with a hold 12% is Bonus Craps (ATS or FIRE BET)

    Casinos will do anything LEGAL to increase the hold over the gambler. Laws and competition may dictate what the casinos can do to the machines, but when the laws are silent the casinos can exploit those areas for their advantage and up to the gamblers tolerance of their exploits.

    Not every casino has Bad Dice on the tables. Those with good regulations, who attract high rollers, who want to become the casino of choice for destination travelers and out of country visitors will have good dice out.

    Bad dice tend to be found with casinos that are, in my opinion, that are party casinos where the action is more at the bars and hotel room beds than on the gambling tables. I also believe that Craps for some casinos is a loss-leader where they feel they have to have a Craps table open to be qualified by the general public as a viable casino. Running bad dice in this case may be justified by the casino to keep the table open.

    Choose your casino with care!

    And, there you have it. Heavy begrudgingly DOES BELIEVE IN BIAS DICE but thinks that the casinos won’t use them.

    LOL :D:D – OK. Heavy may have greatly reduced his Craps play since the start of the Great Recession, where incidentally is when the Bad Dice started to show up. Heavy perhaps plays SIX times a year, and is that really enough play to see what is happening out there? I think not.

    Heavy simply wants you to Believe him without any qualifications or proof of anything he says, despite the facts that an overwhelming flood of people who are avid craps players are citing Funky Dice rolls on his forum, other gambling forums and even on casino review sites. Heavy’s claim that the Bias Dice claims are only coming from a handful of people is simply NOT TRUE. Heavy is only trying to protect his Dice School Scam, where if bias dice was acknowledged openly then the fantasy that a DI can belly up to any table and shoot themselves a win is dashed!

    So, I call "B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T" on Heavy and all of his counter claims. He has an agenda and we clearly know it to be to sell Dice seminars and afterglow fees for his buy-ins at the craps table.

    Please post your comments. Mine are just 'My opinion', what is yours?
     

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  5. lone irish digit, Jan 3, 2016

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    I believe Heavy. Seems like an OK guy and his posts are usually concise and not bloviated.
     
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  6. thaferrett, Jan 3, 2016

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    Pooper,

    I think its time to get off it,as we now see what you agenda were for joining this site. You continue to attack Heavy and others constantly so now we know what you have to "sell". I think some are getting tired of your constant attacks as it makes you look bitter.
     
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  7. Craps Poopshoot, Jan 3, 2016

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    No worries :D:D

    I have your Solution! Click and Ignore!

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    LOL. :p:p:p:p:p:eek::eek::eek::eek:
     
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    Obviously you and your Gang got kicked off thier boards.

    Another thing you right Heavy doesn't have proof of DI/DC works or not but in the same breath you have no proof of biased dice.Unless you grab dice right of the table and then measure them. Its not b/c you see too many sevens and crapper numbers.
     
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    pooper, I enjoy your posts 75pct of the time so I wouldn't ignore you. I actually follow you buddy. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with you from time to time eithier.
     
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    I know... The Bias Dice issue is one of those things that - ONCE HEARD, CANNOT BE UNHEARD! It sort of ruins the entire game of craps that this COULD be going on out there.

    The big difference between myself and Heavy is: I am not profiting from this. I only speak out as a warning so that players don't go blindly in to any ol' casino and then wonder what the hell happened as their entire buy-in is gone in 10 minutes!


    Ok, I appreciate your opinion and skepticism towards DI and Bias Dice. I guess that is why this board is now the #1 Craps board on the Internet, Freedom of speech!! :)
     
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    thats the only difference IMO. its still selling bullshit. You just don't charge for it.
     
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    yes, you do not have an "agenda" and Heavy does have an "agenda" Bias dice make for a great excuse but how often and what casino's really try to use bias dice to thwart DI's or cheat the public from craps winnings.
     
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    In my humble opinion, it is the tight casinos that bring out the bias dice. I don't think you will see bad dice at the larger casinos like Boyd, CET or Stations. My last visit to LV, I went those casinos was was satisfied that the dice rolled fair.... 'Just hit the backwall' ;)

    Casinos that where tight, where the VP is at 96% return rate and the clientele of that casino are there for more than just gambling. Ahigh tells a story of Casino Max, where you have hot and cold running prostitutes everywhere there (and the time-share people too), about the dice rolling such a high degree of Craps he actually called gaming on them and they confiscated the dice!

    You have to shop your casino carefully.

    Here, up in the NorthWest, the Indian casinos are horribly tight and there is no regulation. My same play level and style in LV is FAR better than here in the Indian Casinos. One would think it be the same..but no, sadly the difference is night and day. When a person starts to ask why, the answers start to become painfully obvious.
     
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  14. lone irish digit, Jan 3, 2016

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    Casino Max. Never been there but will have to look that place up next month. Thanks for the heads up.
     
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    You might want to hook up with SuperRick. He lives in LV and scouted the tables out. He can steer you to the casinos for your budget that you will have a fair shot with.
     
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    I'm more interested in the prostitutes rather than Supperick.
     
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    This goes right along with Heavy and what they will do to anybody that does not go along with what they are trying to sell. They use guys like the madprofessor and Irishshitter to do their dirty work for them.

    So you want to know what a pathological liar does when he gets caught with his pants down?

    All pathological liars will attack anybody that catches them in the lie, that is how they redirect what just happened and try to put something back on who caught them!

    By now we all should know that the Madprofessor is nothing but a fiction writer and to top it all off a pathological liar.

    Here are a few photos that he has been posting on the different DI boards. Trying to make like the photos are of Harley and myself, that your great fiction writer the Madprofessor is posting. Anybody that lets him on a DI board post stuff like this is just a guilty as him!

    http://www.friendsinthedesert.com/2013/12/24/editorial-to-help-homeless-give-to-charities/
    Here is Harley's real dice lab:

    You can find where MP got this photo just by paging down.
    http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthread.php/9722-androiduk-s-My-Toronto/page85
    This is what a pathological liar will do when they get caught lying.

    This guy has been stalking us he even went so far as posting my license plate number on Heavy's board, that showed up on a video of the new Corvette that I bought. That video was taking down when it was brought to my attention but this guy just posted it once again.

    Heavy is just as liable for allowing all the fiction that is posted about us. This is nothing but defamation of character and Heavy is in on it.

    That is the kind of so-called expert that you are dealing with. He is nothing but a hobbyist that says he is an expert when it comes to teaching someone about becoming a so-called DI. Heavy knows for a fact that the madprofessor is a fiction writer, but he uses him to promote his DI school. Do you really what to take a class from someone that is selling nothing but fiction?

    So your cult owners of the DI boards will do anything they can to get anybody off of their boards that don't go along with what they are saying and will let guys like the madprofessor post a bunch of lies about guys like Harley and myself. They will post the silly photos that they ripped off the Internet claiming that those photos are of us. Heavy knew that they were not of us, but wanted to try to discredited us, so he went along with mp posting them!

    The truth of the matter is, I live a very good life where I can do anything I want to. I'm very well-liked by everybody. I help run our Corvette club and have many friends in the Las Vegas area, that don't come from playing craps!
    This is a run that we put on this morning on short notice. This morning started out looking like rain, which hurt our turnout!







    Once again I will tell anybody that you can't make money playing craps if you come to Vegas and spend all of your time at the tables, you need to rent a car and get out and see some of the other stuff that we have to offer.
     
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  18. Craps Poopshoot, Jan 3, 2016

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    Indeed! Las Vegas has a lot of historical places to explore, as well as some scenic drives one can take. I recommend a trip out on the Extraterrestrial Highway up to Rachel! Its a once in a life time trip that you won't forget.
     
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    As far as NV, LA, and MS regulations are concerned. Dice are strictly accounted for, balanced, inspected, squared by a casino mgr
    before they are put on the game. Some joints require this procedure being video taped.

    They are usually picked at random out a box of 20 before use. They are stored under lock and key and taped with a fixed camera.

    To enter these storage areas requires a CM, security and surveillance notification.

    To get crooked dice into the game.would require collusion by a pit employee.

    The casino itself would not risk its license for more edge on their dice games
     
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  20. Craps Poopshoot, Jan 4, 2016

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    I don't mean to counter what you are saying, so if you can show me a NRS about dice balance, or a recent Video of this happening I appreciate it
     
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