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  1. bek423, Dec 13, 2011

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    kaysirtap, you are exactly right. I have a 12 foot table in my basement and I love having people over to play. It gives people an opportunity to learn a bit about the game who would never step up to a table in a casino. I and my family and friends have a lot of fun with it. I do practice shooting on it, but I have found the main benefit is in the entertainment value. If I could get enough people on the forum interested, it would be great to have them over for a practice session.
     
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  2. kaysirtap, Dec 13, 2011

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    I guess that makes you my new best friend.
     
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  3. tercol58, Dec 13, 2011

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    If I could get enough people on the forum interested, it would be great to have them over for a practice session. That would be sweet I would like to have some free time or near free time at a table with people who knew a bit about the game. Too many miles I think
     
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  4. eagledice, Dec 13, 2011

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    Hookups are great forms of entertainment. Just do not forget the safety factor involved with any type of meetings with individuals that you "meet" on line on this board or for that matter any form of internet chatter. We all like to think that members here on this board are upstanding fine human beings ( we are ! ) but for safety sake be careful.

    I'm sure others may want to "jump" in with there thoughts on this subject.

    Have profitable fun at the craps tables, be like we all say, keep your wits about you.



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  5. tercol58, Dec 13, 2011

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    yes you should get to know any person in person very well inviting them into your home
     
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  6. $nakeEye$, Dec 13, 2011

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    Walk lightly - but carry a big stick ! AND DO BE AFRAID TO USE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Reminiscent of my younger days while performing " foot patrol " on the 3P-11P / 11P - 7A shifts in / at EOPD, NJ !
     
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    For some reason I always see myself on the oposite side of an issue from Snakeyes.

    If your objective is to enjoy gambling and have some fun, then learn how to play, go to a casino, buy some chips and play craps. If you spend $$$ and time trying to controll dice before you play at a casino, you will miss out on a lot of fun. There are too many variables on one throw of the dice to think you can change the house advantage to yours. I will be kind and say that dice influencing can only be achieved by a very very few people. (I personally do not beilieve it is possible at all) In almost absolute certainty, you will not be one of them. Many have tried and - if it were really possible - there would be a lot of millionaire crap players out there. There are not.

    Enjoy playing - the excitement, the rituals, the superstitions and the comeraderie at the table. Expect to lose more than you win over time. Consider that loss the price of entertainment. If you can not afford the to lose your but in, don't play. When you win, celebrate.
     
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  8. epenak, Dec 16, 2011

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    JHPA, I would agree with you, EXCEPT for the fact that my wife dragged me on a Norwegian cruise to Alaska last September. In the casino was a gentleman who lived at the Stick Left 1 position just about every time I was in the casino.

    He was tossing the dice like a dream. They would float down onto the felt, take a tiny bounce and gently nudge the angled base of the back wall. When he was "ON" he was rolling box numbers. His rack was full of green and black.

    It took me awhile to pay attention to him. I was in my game, random shooting, making a little money over time. But when I finally started paying attention to the other shooter, it all clicked. That shooter had control over the dice like I had never seen. He wasn't hitting perfectly, but he was having long rolls that were paying off well.

    I made more money off of that shooter in a shorter time than I've ever done before. And I am accustomed to winning, even if it is a small amount.

    When I got home from the cruise, I began to check into what that shooter was doing. I ordered books and a practice rig. I now think that I too have enough skill to nudge the house edge back into my favor.

    As far as $nakeEye$ is concerned, I think he is the real deal. Here, he talks the talk. He has let you know where he'll be this weekend -- Atlantic City. He'll be straight out. You can go see for yourself if he walks the walk. He is a retired cop. I don't know him, but I would expect confidence and self-assurance from those ranks.

    I personally like it that there are so many people that do not believe that dice influencing is real. You will continue to go to the tables and play your game. That provides cover to all of the dice setters who don't really want to draw that much attention to themselves or their game.

    I do think that everybody on this board enjoys the game, otherwise, why would they bother to tune in?
     
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  9. Southern-Comfort, Dec 16, 2011

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    Always good to see people getting it. As I've said before... if I could prove DI works, I would not. If it were ever proven, casinos would then have to take real action against it. As long as it stays within the mists, they can only wonder, but dare not make dramatic changes needed that would drive away players and thence profits.
    Never, ever prove it.
     
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  10. basicstrategy777, Dec 16, 2011

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    you mean like card counting.

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  11. JHPA

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    Card counting and dice influencing are very very different.

    There is a true mathematical relationship in card counting. If the player knows when the next card has a significantly more or less chance of being a value of 10, it will enable the player to make a decision on his own play and shift the expected outcome - over time - to his favor. This is knowable. You can know this by knowing how many 10s are in the shoe (a verifiable fact) at the start of play and how many 10's have been played (also a verifiable fact) . It is difficult, but well within the abilities of many many people. Casinos regulate against card counting because they know it is a true possibility.

    My understanding is that dice influencing assumes that a shooter, playing at a regulation table and throwing the dice according to the rules of virtually every casino, can throw them in a way that the dice will land on a certain number - or not land on a certain number - more times than its statistical, random liklihood. This shifts the expected outcome in favor of the player. This is a physical skill that wouild need to control many many significant physical variables. Casinos do not regulate against dice influencing - beyind defining what is a legitimate throw - because they know it is not possible.
     
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  12. Southern-Comfort, Dec 16, 2011

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    I believe that 777 may have been referring to my comment about being careful not to prove that DI works because of the resulting casino action to prevent it, as did happen with blackjack once card counting went from theory to proven.
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Dec 16, 2011

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    They are kinda the same in that they both supposedly shift the odds in favor of the player. ( I know it's 1.5% in CC )

    When Thorp came out with his book the casinos where apprehensive and the public were licking their chops.

    The casino's were initially scared but the end result was a bonanza for the casino's as they tighened their rules plus they got a horde of players that thought they would make a bundle and they lost their ass.

    I see the same senario playing out with dice setting. The casinos will make more than they lose from 'dice controllers' as most think they know what they are doing but just flat can't do it.

    I can almost guarantee they ban no one and will allow anyone that wants to play craps to " come on down'.

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  14. Southern-Comfort, Dec 16, 2011

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    Until card counting was proven, BJ was a single deck game. The 7 deck shoe was one of the first actions against counters. Now that counters can count a 7 deck shoe comfortably, they reshuffle (or change decks) long before the shoe gets near the end. Similar actions could be taken by casinos against DI's without banning setting the dice. Yeah, they love dice setters.. most of whom set then just sling the dice down the table.
     
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  15. $nakeEye$, Dec 17, 2011

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    I have said this before on this forum many, many months ago - and I will re-iterate again -

    I have " fun " in bed or wherever with my wife -

    I go to the casino to " win " money - that to me is not " fun " - that is " work " -


    I will have " fun " after " work " - I will buy my own drinks - I will buy my own dinner - I will allow the casino to pay my hotel bills -

    I do not " gamble " per say - I count cards when I play BJ - I set the dice and throw in a controlled manner - when I play craps -

    I am not in the casino to enjoy the " comraderie " among the idiots who are there who have no f*ckin' clue as to what they are doing -

    Do you think for one iota of a second that the dealers and pit personell can tell who is or who is not an " educated consumer " -

    If YOU think not - then YOU are among the a$$holes who are pissing their money away the tables - the ones who are cluele$$ -

    Whether one can " influence " the outcome of a dice throw is a matter of conjecture / opinion -

    I, for one , believe it is possible, and if not, believe you - me - I would not be playing this game -

    As an aside - back in '88 I took a BJ course - way before DI was born - the BJ guy said " The dice have no memory - you can't beat the game - the cards have memory - you can beat that game " -

    Much has changed since 1988 - BJ is a different animal - craps is a wide open venue - IF - you know how to approach it !

    Granted - a card counter or a DI will NOT win all the time - just most of the time - nothing in life is gauranteed -

    Except - the distinct fact that we are all born to die -

    Life as Golf - is a 4 letter word - with the letter " F " in it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Bull Shit ! Plain and simple with capital letters !
     
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  16. kaysirtap, Dec 17, 2011

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    I don't know you $nakeEye$, but I would guess that you actually do have fun at the casino. One doesn't need to socialize or drink for free to have fun there. But based on your following statement from another thread, I wouldn't say that winning or losing is the deciding factor in whether or not you have "a good experience" in a casino:
    If your fun is trying to win money from the casino, that's your choice. To me, the above statement doesn't make me think that socializing is completely absent from your perception of fun in the casino. You seemed to disagree with this statement:
    But you must realize that this is the mindset of many people who go to a casino - whether they are conscious of it or not. You may not think it applies to you, but I don't think it's fair to say that it's BS.

    And if you really insist that you don't have fun at the casino and that it is like work for you, then why don't you consider just getting a job at the casino? I know that sounds like an aggressive question, but it's not intended to be. It seems to me that if I never have fun in a casino but I want to make money from one, working for them would seem like the better choice... particularly if I viewed my casino visits as "work" anyway.
     
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  17. DeMango, Dec 17, 2011

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    You have to pick your battles. Much less money at play at gambling and much more money at "work"
     
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  18. peteydogg, Dec 18, 2011

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    kaysirtap, growing up my Father instilled in me the notion that, " as long as you love what you are doing for work and are passionate about it", then its not work. In what i do every day to put bread on the table I enjoy what i do and make a decent living doing it. Craps to me is just another way of enjoying life and people and possibly putting a few bucks in my pocket along the way. I ahve to say that going to a casino with the mindset that "I'm going to work" really puts a damper on the whole thing.
     
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  19. cohiba3, Dec 18, 2011

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    I have been going to the casino's for many years and enjoy all aspects of it. I have met several people that I now call friends. I always go with a positive attitude and expect to win. Not that I do all the time but my stop loss limits makes may losses no big deal. There is always the next session.
     
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  20. $nakeEye$, Dec 22, 2011

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    kaysirtap -

    You mis-construed what I meant by going to the casino to " work " - I have spent timeless hours perfecting my BlackJack game and am well on my way with my craps game -

    I did not arrive at this juncture by mere happenstance - I put and continue to put, a considerable amount of time and effort into becoming extremely proficient at both games -

    When I walk into a casino - I am not there for the entertainment, the " awe " , the comraderie, the comps, - I am there for the " Money - Honey " -

    Nothing less - nothing more -

    I am totally focused on what I am doing and what is going on around me - I am " working " - not " playing " - if I wanted a minimum wage job - there are more rewarding opportunities available than dealing with idiots who have no clue as to what they are doing at the tables -

    These are the same " rocket scientists " who clip coupons and will drive 2 miles out of their way to save 3 cents on a gallon of gas -

    BUT - will repeatedly wager $5 , if not more , on an " Any Craps " or a " Horn High - whatever " - or a " Yo " -

    OR split 10's at the BJ table - double down on a 12 -

    Man, I tell you - I must stick out like a sore f*ck*ng thumb at the tables -

    If you want to rub elbows with these a$$holes - knock yourself out -

    Get their phone #'s - while they still have a phone - get their addresses - while they still have a house - so you can exchange Christmas cards - or whatever -

    But you better hurry up - these jerks are dropping $ faster than a goose sh*ts on a golf course !

    You do your thing - I will do mine !

    And BTW - what you quoted me on about losing and would do it over again - that would be the PT event at S/B on 11/16 - and I stand by my original statement !

    Furthermore, we'll be doing it again 12/28 same channel, same time , so stay tuned, folks !
     
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