Taking what the Dice Give You

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  1. KokomoJoe4, Nov 14, 2017

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    I'm beginning to wish that I could find more time to get into the casino to try and work at this intangible concept.

    Over the years, I have thought about and at tried out any number of methods of play, never finding any kind of good, consistent winning method. Note - I have never had the gumption to play a true Martingale, not because I do not think it will work, it obviously will, almost but not quite always. Problem is that I am too cheap to buy-in for the thousands of dollars that MIGHT be needed in that endeavor, and my typical $300 buy-in won't cut it for that type of play.

    I think it was Superrick who has told us that he plays differently all the time. This leads me to think that the method of play will depend on what is seen to happen.

    It doesn't take a genius like LID or Planck to put out a bet on the Five when someone is seen to be rolling a lot of them. Wonder why I never go out on such a number in that situation?

    I guess that it also follows that when one is seeing dice show a lot of [1] or [6] that outside numbers and horns might be the ticket.

    When damn near every shooter is showing short, unproductive rolls, maybe the DP and DC are the way to play.

    Now most of us believe that one roll has nothing to do with the next, and that the ten is not necessarily due because it hasn't shown in about 40 rolls now, but let's admit it, craps is a game that is best pursued by taking advantage of streaks, which must first be recognized and secondly properly bet into.

    No, I do not have any hope of finding a consistent way to beat the game. In fact, until the past 2 years or so, I have done remarkably well with the method of play I long ago decided worked best for me.

    I'm going to play a lot of craps when on vacation over Christmas, and intend to try to figure out what the dice are giving. I consider it of some advantage to know what the dice say. Maybe this will have something to do with what they give, if they are in a giving mood.
     
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  2. betwthelines, Nov 14, 2017

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    Betting on What the Dice Are Giving You is as good or as bad as any strategy there is out there.

    better of course and what one really needs is to bet on what the dice are going to give you...this is foolproof.

    no. since i have come to this forum, lid's time machine is The Only Solution.

    barney's trip reports affirm this too...unless i am mis-remembering the mr lid wins every time, no?

    tom p

    "...Sure thing
    Brides maid
    The only solution
    Isn't it amazing?"

    --jim morrison, Shaman's Blues, 1969
     
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  3. Edward-ky, Nov 14, 2017

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    Was playing today and saw a guy that like hopping the hard six on comeout all the time. He finally hit it and he wouldnt parlay it. So i started hopping hardways on comeouts. Think i hit one and parlayed but didnt hit. Chased it about 6 or so times then finally stopped. Comes to my roll and didnt hop anything. First roll hard 6. May have said a bad word. Next roll hard 6. I think i said a few more bad words. I throw 6 bucks hop all the hardways andc hi lo. Next roll 12. Parlayed to 30. Next roll bam 12 again. Quick 900. Actually left the bet up but i think it came a yo maybe. Ended up hitting another and parlayed but didnt hit the 2nd. Yep i had FUN at tthe table today.
     
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  4. superrick, Nov 14, 2017

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    Come to Vegas when I'm in town and I will show you why the books and the stupid math has nothing to do with you winning. Craps is only about one thing, can you or anyone else on this board tell me what that is?
     
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  5. $nakeEye$, Nov 14, 2017

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    On THIS forum it is ALL about belittling those WHO KNOW the game by people who THINK they KNOW the game !

    And THAT is ALL that I am going to say regards THAT !

    $...eE..$
     
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    Yea Buddy! :)
     
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    IT does NOT get ANY BETTER / MORE PROFOUND than THIS !

    And WHO said THIS forum was worthless ?

    Words of WIT !


    Speaking of which -


    In magic marker written on the wall in the Officer's latrine of Med Co. in Cu Chi in '67 / '68 was the following :

    " He who writes on shit house walls - Rolls his shit in little balls -

    He who reads these words of wit - Eats those little balls of shit " !



    Obviously written by a USMA / West Point Graduate !

    Officer's 2 seater latrine - Hospital / Medical area !

    $...eE..$
     
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  8. Mssthis1, Nov 15, 2017

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    Seven.
     
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  9. basicstrategy777, Nov 15, 2017

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    There is no doubt in my mind, that to play what the dice are showing you should be part of your playing strategy......also, to play 'due theory'.....Both appear contridictory and can drive you a little crazy....ask me how I know.

    To combine these two strategies and cap it off by saying...".take me down"....just before the 7 shows....is the ideal plan IMHO.

    Thinking this through a bit and you can come up with what to do and when, and if it works would end up with excellent results.

    An example is the hardway bet.....you can be at a table and they just don't show...hence, I don't make a hardway bet. However, when they do show they come in bunches, it seems.. If 2 hardways show in a few rolls, I will be on them. i.e. you bet what is showing.

    If no hi-lo has shown in many, many rolls....I will bet them a few times. They're due.

    You need to find a' way to play' that is fun and sometimes profitable. To play in a way that really isn't much fun....is not for me. It's like eatting spinich.......good for you but I don't like it. I don't eat spinich.

    Trends and Due are for me......Trends and Due should be a sub-set and fall under the umbrella of your basic play e.g. come bets or placing 6/8, or betting even numbers and spreading after a samebet/regress..... whatever.... or betting one number big..You apply T and D at the time the table tells you. In the mean time, you play your basic play.

    STRICT adherence to a betting system may be the most 'correct' way to play....but I believe it is not. I think to observe and react should be factored in and be part of your betting strategy.

    Math and probability can only take you so far and ultimately its conclusion is you will be in the shitter. You need something else to take you over the top.




    777
     
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  10. Edward-ky, Nov 15, 2017

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    Arent you the one that harps about reading books on craps.
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Nov 15, 2017

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    You are absolutely right, you need something else....it's called LUCK! :)
     
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    Rick says whatever suits his agenda at the time. It doesn't matter if it is at odds with what he just said a minute ago.
     
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  13. Mssthis1, Nov 15, 2017

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    Just keep in mind that "taking what the dice are giving" can also include an ass kicking. That's the part that crowd conveniently forget to mention. I watched a guy lay the 4 or 10 several times last night. He got picked off every time the very next roll.
     
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  14. KokomoJoe4, Nov 15, 2017

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    Yep, what it seems very clearly to come down to is that we just do not know what is going to show on the next roll!

    Being normally a one bet at a time player, it never ceases to amaze me how often I will sit on that number, see damn near every outcome except that number, then finally see the old seven out.

    How many effing times does that number I never did see show within the next two or three rolls, when I am no longer on it. :mad:
     
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  15. TDVegas, Nov 15, 2017

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    What's the mystery?...sometimes it will work, sometimes not. No different than bet what the table isn't giving you...it's due.

    If it worked more times than not...then I'm not sure why they are wasting that time in here.
     
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  16. basicstrategy777, Nov 15, 2017

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    You need to 'read' the table and understand what it is saying to you, and play accordingly.

    Example:

    The table goes point seven out 3 times in a row. What do you do:

    1. Continue playing as you have been with no changes..( because you are intimately familiar with the math of the game and know the game is all random )

    2. Do something different from what you were doing. ( because you can see that what you are doing is not working and that by leaning into the punch you can be beaten up unmercifally )


    Regarding getting hurt, the 3 senarios are:: .............You can get hurt very early in the hand........you can get hurt very late in the hand.........you can get hurt in an average roll hand ( roughly 8 or so rolls)


    If you could control and/or mitigate greatly the impact of one of these 3 senarios.....which would be the easist to control ?

    Note: To get hurt after a long hand i.e. late in the hand, would be difficult and we can just about throw that out.

    Based upon your answer of...which would be easiest to control....Why not develope a strategy to minimize your chances of getting hurt. You should consider opening your play with this strategy

    777.
     
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    ? ? ? What the hell,was the strategy?? :confused:I musta missed somethin. :).
     
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  18. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 15, 2017

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    I'm going with 42 but fear I am 7.499 million years too early.

    Two or three decades ago I was in Carson City, NV, the night Ormsby House re-opened. Of course I had to check it out. During the session the shooter before me rolled a monster while I sat with my lone Come bet w/odds on 8. If an 8 had rolled I am quite sure the dice would have been sucked into another dimension before the stick could have made the call. Meanwhile, of course, everybody else was cleaning up. The final insult was losing my bet to a comeout 7. I was able to hide my elation at saving the odds.
     
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  19. KokomoJoe4, Nov 15, 2017

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    The funny thing is that the eight will then show at the next come out, or if not then, it will be called out a few times during the next roll.

    Although I don't get too excited about anything when at play anymore, this experience is sure to elevate the blood pressure every fricking time. Thank goodness for the Losartan, and why am I saying this is funny?
     
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  20. tabletop123, Nov 15, 2017

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    One thing is for certain.....I have NEVER witnessed a player beat the inside, across, even, outside, etc long term. The math of the game simply does not support it for even "God like" shooters!

    Personally, I think that winning consistently is about common sense ( riding a trend), luck & timing. Yep, I do believe that a gifted shooter could possibly beat the Passline with odds, & Come Bet with odds ( depending on the point) the 6/8, but anything more just doesn't pan out ( long term).

    Even with the Passline, & the Come Bet ( I know...the Come Bet sucks), I believe that winning long term is contingent upon which particular number becomes the point.

    I just don't think that the points of 4, 5, 9, & 10 can be overcome......long term.

    Ya keep getting those 4's, & 10's as your point & it's gonna be a tough fight!

    Just my opinion!
     
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