# table vs. the bubble

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1. TDVegas, Jul 24, 2017

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These are your delusions. You're entitled to them.

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2. Onautopilot, Jul 24, 2017

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If you want to prove it, just sit at the bubble machine and record all the data, when you have a large enough sample size, submit it to a math expert in statistics.

They can easily determine if there is a mathematical level of confidence that your suspicions are correct or not.

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3. lone irish digit, Jul 24, 2017

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Very bad post OAP. The forum math expert is States Defac aka James McCoy III. Our statistic expert who once read a book is Supperick. Probability experts are OAP, Koko, and Max Planck. You need more specificity in some of your posts.

Update: Other math and science forum experts we can draw on to help our craps game are....Gravitational vectors effects on dice are Eagleyes and Hardley....Black Hoes is Barney...White Hoes is Barney...Time shifting via mechanical coupling with time/space singularities are Barney and Max Planck...Flux Capacitors is Linaway...Large number measurements is Liman...Fuzzy Math Opie 1...Effects of Alien abduction on finger dexterity and mental acuity is Yuri Dave...

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4. Mssthis1, Jul 24, 2017

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Plus: You can play the bubble machine with a much smaller bankroll than a traditional game since you don't get hosed if you make an improper bet like a \$3.00 6 or 8 or \$5.00 odds on a 5 or nine.

Since Ceasars properties in Vegas only award 1 point per \$200 coin in and Aria gives 0 rating on their bubble, that is all the proof I need that it's a fair game.

At some casinos, it's a lock up and hand pay at \$600 and all your returned bet/odds count toward that \$600. That part sucks since I play the don't the vast majority of the time on the bubble. No stink eye for betting the don't is another plus on the bubble.

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5. Night Attack, Jul 24, 2017

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Let me ask the bubble players this. Would you play the bubble if it didn't have the dice and vibrating floor and the result was just shown on video screen per some RNG?

I think I'd have a hard time converting.

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6. Spike8850, Jul 24, 2017

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No, I wouldn't. I'll play at home on the Wizard's site, and I'll use Wincraps, but would not put real money on video craps.

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7. TDVegas, Jul 24, 2017

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Probably not. I've played live roulette...but would not play video roulette. Call it superstition..whatever, I like the fact that bubble craps does not utilize any video screen format (computer RNG) and is essentially a live version.

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8. betwthelines, Jul 24, 2017

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i hope i am not misunderstanding what he is saying but according to tdv video games in nevada that purport to imitate table games must offer the same probabilities...this means that in nevada at least this game would utilize the RNGs that you suggest...were it not RNG-based, i would definitely avoid video craps...

but given RNGs, outcomes would be indiscernible between all 3 craps versions at hand...thus with that i would have no problem at all playing the video craps.

tom p

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9. Freddyy, Jul 24, 2017

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Well, I only played bubble twice, but check out your payouts, not everywhere is paid right on the 6&8 and middle bets. Those 2 cents might look like nothing but they add 2% to the House Advantage...

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10. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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Wrong, and you know it. I could give you correct numbers, but pick my spots, and cheat you blind. Accumulating correct proportion of numbers, is not a guarantee of randomness.

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11. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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? ? ? Buy payoffs maybe.

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12. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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The key word here is ESSENTIALLY. It is "essentially "fair" also, but not essentially random, and there is a difference.

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13. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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This entire thread, has a contrived "look" to it,

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14. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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Superstition? Yeah, let's call it that. Sounds "better", to some.

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15. yacraps, Jul 25, 2017

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Ditto what spike and TD said

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16. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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Yeah, we've never discussed this, have we?

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17. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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Would a set of rounded dice, be legal, if they were on a table? Let's say, in Nevada, yes or no.

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18. von duck, Jul 25, 2017

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In Ca. they play craps with cards, why not dice? What "evil" is in dice, that can not be found in cards? Very curious, indeed.

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19. Night Attack, Jul 25, 2017

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BTL you're on the money as usual and you did not misunderstand what I was saying. I couldn't have said it better, or more convoluted ( depending on who is reading your post), had I tried. Around these parts you have to be able to sing the battle hymn of the republic, or dixie, with equal enthusiasm.

There a very few TCP's such as yourself and the bubble converts who could not play the bubble with a (let's say fair) RNG for example, have to then understand why table craps players don't want to play the bubble in it's current format. There is a difference or there should be no reason not to play the bubble with a RNG.

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20. TDVegas, Jul 25, 2017

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