" some early MP musings"

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  1. Dave G Ct, Nov 30, 2017

    Dave G Ct

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    I joined the Dice Institute I think in 2013. From there I moved forward.I came across some early postings of his thread ' At the tables with the Mad Professor" which gives his early thoughts on this game. He initially was a 6 & 8 player. What stands out then was his practice not in pressing these bets until the 6 th combined hit. Everyone here thinks of MP as an aggressive gambler. Furthest from the truth he thought starting small and pressing as lunacy. You give up too many early 7 out losses and depend on the long hands to make your profit. Called it treading water with no bankroll growth.
    Later on he went to the 2- V to bet on the 4 & 10. He said he hit Primary hits at a 24% clip.I am looking for 20%. An average hand may generate $2000 net while a decent hand around $5000. Yes he did not know what the heroes here believe that you could not do it..
    Some other things I learned - he loved workouts especially the batting cage. Also he talked about arriving at the casino washing his hands under warm water then tossing an imaginary throw into the mirror. Just an interesting read . Of course I use his shot and it works. Thank you MP
     
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    This post will not go over well with your friend in Henderson!!
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Nov 30, 2017

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    Going back and reading the early posts are enlightening. He goes into an evening's hands and gives you the roll readout which he often passed over years later. I am enjoying the read. Sort of goes along with my winning with his shot. You always pick up stuff. Let me know if you want to take up the UH. I am pretty sure on just how he executed this shot. No the forum will not be privy to it. Lol
     
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    Dave,

    Perhaps a link to the " early posts " that you are referencing would prove beneficial to ALL - including SR - to whom DeMango was referring to -

    The " Mad Professor " provided an immense wealth of knowledge on the finer elements of playing WINNING craps -

    Regardless of what others think about him -

    HE has contributed MORE KNOWLEDGE and INSIGHT to the game than :

    Steve "Heavy" Haltom,
    Jerry " Long Arm " Patterson,
    Beau " Dice Coach" Parker,
    Frank Scoblete ,
    Dominic" the Dominator " Lo Riggio ,
    Chris " SharpShooter " Pawlicki and ALL others combined -

    And as Bob Parker would shout " The Price is Right " -

    ALL of his intellectual insight was provided for FREE !

    POST the LINK !

    By doing so YOU will provide an immeasurable benefit to ALL on THIS FORUM !

    $...eE..$
     
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    Yeah the link...please.
     
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  6. superrick, Dec 1, 2017

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    No, DeMango, it's not going to go over good with you because I'm going to have a field day with everything that he wrote that was nothing but fiction!

    But I just might let you stew on this one for a while thinking about all the things I will come up with that will prove that he was nothing but a fiction writer!

    By the way DeMango, he did write some good stuff that he ripped off other. Isn't the internet wonderful you can be anybody that you want to be without ever showing your face!

    By the way, DeMango, what country is Mp now playing craps in that doesn't have the internet?

    To bad Butter Cup wasn't around when Mp was writing his great fiction he like me would have had a field day with all of his great fiction!

    By the way, if you want to read his book you can because the whole book was taking from his writings on this link:

    http://www.dicesetter.com/

    I will use some of what he wrote there to prove that he was nothing but a great fiction writer!

    I want to thank Soft Touch for all of the stuff that Mp wrote on her board! If you ever get to meet her she is one ever Classy Young Lady that knows what to do with the dice in her hands and teaching how to win at craps!
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Dec 1, 2017

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    Great post.All anyone has to do is Google At the tables with the Mad Professor 2010.
    If you are interested in improving your UH shot Snakeyes I found 2 keys that I believed he used. Actually using the Yuri led me to it.
    SR MP did not need to steal DI information.He had his own theories that he held in deep conviction like betting your 2 advantage numbers with sizeable bets.Do not start small! He did record his casino rolls- sure DeMango will take solace !!
     
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    Oh, Dave and please tell me where Mp is now at playing craps where they have no internet? Mp ripped off everybody and he was never seen by anyone. Hell even Stanford Wong never met him the funny one was when Stanford Wong asked a friend of mine if he was Mp.

    Yes, Dave, Stanford Wong, would play craps at Sams Town and thought that one of the guys there was Mp we both had a good laugh at that one
     
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  9. Dave G Ct, Dec 1, 2017

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    . True no one actually saw him but nobody can write that way unless they had the real world experience.What is strange is his current lack of engagement.
     
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    Does Stanford Wong still play craps? I heard secondhand that he gave up on DI.
     
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  11. basicstrategy777, Dec 1, 2017

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    The only thing keeping DI alive is people new to the game that are looking for an edge that come aboard with an open mind. There are many real good talkers and writers out there.

    It's like the tide......the new people come in....stay a while.....lose their shirt.......become old people....and go out with the tide. Only to have a new batch of new people come in. The new replace the old, and the tide keeps coming in and receding.

    For every 100 people that try DI, I doubt there is 1 left to stay with it and believe in it. The others become discourage and become nuetral to non-believers.
    They may set the dice but deep down know they really have no edge and do it cause you never know.

    It's like hating Trump......no matter what he says...no matter what he does.....there are those that dispise him and hate him and always will. These are intellegent people but their strong, strong passion on the subject removes the 'reason and judgement ' part of the brain, and objectivity and common sense cannot enter. I am starting to believe that good judgement is more important than intellegence, and ultimately will result in you being more happy.and you making more correct decisions.

    Once committed strongly to a position it takes a special person to change his thinking and go to the other side. There are many reasons for this difficulty to change..

    There is no harm in supporters of DI to try to convince and advance their belief.......but like God...it will take faith to believe as there is no concrete evidence.They can continue to cast their net and eventually some fish will be taken.

    And like they say about the city of Vegas.......it's the city of fish and chips.....every night, some poor fish is losing his chips.

    777
     
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  12. Dave G Ct, Dec 1, 2017

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    What you have so elequently explained is that you cannot do it.Speak for yourself.
     
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  13. Dave G Ct, Dec 1, 2017

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    When I joined the Dice Institute it was a paid forum and I would not have access to any material prior to my joining.Once there I never looked at earlier material until now.
     
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  14. basicstrategy777, Dec 1, 2017

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    I have zero problem with people that believe in DI and use it in their play.

    The only difficulty I have is understanding why people believe in DI....use DI in their play......lose at the craps table setting the dice......and continue to believe in DI. . Why is that ?

    If you use it and win, I can understand you believing in it.........but if you use it and lose, I can't understand you believing in it.

    Do you think there are people out there that have invested much time, energy, money in DI....have used it a long time....and lose ?

    If they believe and lose....what I suggest they do is more PRACTICE. .....As it's a skill, practice is the key to improving a skill.

    I am very happy you find DI is working for you. If you PRACTICE even more....you will do even better....makes sense...no ?

    777
     
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    We agree100%
     
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  16. DeMango, Dec 1, 2017

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    Thank you, but I already have an UH toss, 2 finger diagonal grip, that does OK
     
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    Rick: You can bloviate till The Kingdom comes, you are wasting your time. There is no better collected work on DI than what MP accumulated and published. It is what it is.

    You need a self help group: "MP haters anonymous"
     
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    Has nothing to do with the grip.Just saying.....
     
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    Well try it with one finger! That's one grip that won't work! It's got all to do with the grip,
    ( just imitating idiots that keep on saying,) just saying.

    Congrats on getting the gold prospector all riled up!
     
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  20. tabletop123, Dec 1, 2017

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    The problem with Dice Influencing is that it's a "all man for himself" type of deal. In other words, you have to prove to YOURSELF that you are influencing the dice. How so? Meticulous record keeping of your Casino sessions, ( your box producing numbers versus Seven to rolls ratio) & of course...win/loss records.
    There will only be a few that will actually be able to influence the dice, & the advantage acquired will be so very small that if your betting ain't right, you're gonna end up spinning your wheels. CORRECTION......you're gonna end up "busted"! ( yep, I'm the poster child, & unlike others, I won't start with the "I win most of the time" thingy).
    James Pre-post reply: "Top, you need more training"! Nope, James....what I need is riddance of finger arthritis ( but THAT'S another story)
    Regardless of skill level, you will NOT be able to CONSISTENTLY influence the dice. Most tosses/hands will be random, & anyone that states otherwise is only fooling themselves.

    G, ( Gargoil) & I had a little conversation yesterday, & we both agreed that a gifted shooter will ( at the very best) have roughly 2-3 winning hands per ten attempts.

    So.....the question remains....will those 2-3 winning hands be enough to offset the 7-8 losing hands?

    Now, where G, & I part company is on the multi bets....Across, inside, outside, even, iron cross, etc.( for the record, my opinions have absolutely NOTHING to do With HIS win/loss record)

    I strongly believe that because the advantage that a shooter MIGHT acquire is so small, & inconsistent that it CANNOT/WILL NOT consistently overcome the aforementioned bets.

    So....how should the skilled shooter wager? Now, this is just MY opinion......One number is simply not enough, because ( in my opinion) One number puts ya in the "Sniping" category. Its simply hard to CONSISTENTLY zero in on just one stinking number.

    However, if dice setting REALLY works....it tells me that you'd have just as good a chance hitting the secondary number just as much as ya would the primary number that you are shooting for. So, my vote is a MAXIMUM of two number wagers per turn with the dice.

    Now, James, & others will say that you have a better chance betting ALL of the numbers. Lol. Look at your return of investment betting that way! DISASTROUS!

    But, but, but....I can influence the dice. I was trained properly! I've been doing this a long time! What the fu**k does that have to do with the return of investment?

    Me thinks that most skilled shooters give away what little edge that they MIGHT possess by betting too many numbers (from the get go).

    Spreading to more numbers after recouping your initial investment? Your choice!
     
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