So God Made a Liberal.....

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  1. basicstrategy777, Jul 31, 2017

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    Everybody wants to go to heaven....but nobody wants to die.

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  2. Settingcanthurt, Jul 31, 2017

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    Competition is better. Lowers prices and will lower costs. Single payer IE joe taxpayer will take it up the kyster forever as services decline. Rethink your position. Look at Venezuela for the model you are espousing.
     
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  3. basicstrategy777, Aug 1, 2017

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  4. twodicebilly, Aug 1, 2017

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    You are correct in one sense...that it has gone to far....there
    is no way to get back to the country we were...not possible.

    In times past no president would have ever dare say to the American small business folks that if you think you have done
    well...you did not do that, you had nothing to do with that.....
    Obama did and got away with it, and then other dems said the
    same thing......

    There was a time when it was thought to be impossible that this
    government could force people to buy a product like insurance....that day is gone.......it was thought for over 200
    years that government could not force you to sell your land
    because some one wanted to build a bigger building on that....that day has come and gone......

    My kids will see the end of the American Dream ( as sought
    by our founders) they will see financial problems never
    dreamed of here because we are taking the life blood of
    a capitalistic system, and using not to further that system,
    but to pay for welfare, food stamps, free health care, phones
    and homes for (some) people that wont do it for themselves.

    I for one am not against a safety net....but the dems have made it impossible to insure that the safety net applies only
    to the people that should get it. In some larger cities if you
    are a women with two kids....you cant make enough to
    go off public goodies.... a couple of years ago it was reported
    one city was at $67,000 The vast majority of Americans
    do not make $67,000.

    We have made this such a mess, we cant even do a good thing in a way that is fair for the people that are paying for it.

    I agree... there is no way out of this mess.

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    TDB, you frequently refer to the way it used to be. I'm interested in a time frame here - even a decade. It seems I recall you saying you were in your 80s, correct?
     
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  6. twodicebilly, Aug 1, 2017

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    Laughing.....not quite..... I am 70

    When I say things like that it is because I have
    such reverence for the ideas that this country was built
    upon....

    Just being born here was such a gift.....my grand parents were
    dirt poor, 40 acres and 8 cows....that is poor, yet they
    made it through, never wanting something that some one else
    had, never wanting the government to give them more than
    they could earn.... My dad was a postmaster, never made
    more than $13,000 a year... he died young

    I ate chicken soup in college, did not have any more
    money and I worked, yet I never asked for welfare or food
    stamps or a free home or a free car and free health insurance.
    Mt wife got a complication when my son was born... insurance did not cover that and it was $9000 and I had no money...yet
    over time I paid that.... I did not ask for some one else to pay
    it.....

    So now my work had paid off, I can help myself and my kids and my other family members if they need help

    All I ever ask of anyone is try...do what you can, if you still
    need help fine....

    We have millions of people on food stamps, welfare, and free everything that don't make any effort at all., yet we have a democratic party that has bought votes with others money, made promises no one can keep. The republican party is
    now not much different..... When I say back to the way it was, I mean a time when we appreciate what we have, what we had and work.....Today there is nothing anyone of can do that
    does not have the government in it in some way.

    Last night, I was at a bakery, the owner asked me to help
    determine a value to sell to some one.... he is 73 years old.. this past month the feds came in for an inspection because he
    sells to some stores....... they made him throw out every label and pay $12000 for new ones even though the ones
    he has are fine for the state of Wisconsin...

    There is no reason for that.....none.....

    Three weeks ago I was asked by a couple to look at the
    value of their property because the government is condemning an entire block..with a bakery, a store and a
    commercial building......just so they can built a larger building.... that is not America.

    Over the past several years thousands of americans have been
    injured, raped or killed by illegal immigrants,,,allowed here
    because the federal government felt their rights were superior
    to that of an American citizen or an immigrant that came here
    legally........ this is not America.

    I have a real soft spot for what was our way of life.. the freedom to see what you could do, hard work, just show
    up for work everyday and be honest... don't fret over
    what some one has see what you can do...

    Over half of our population now does not want to see what they can do, they want to see what you can give them....

    Baddooin we created this, our politicians created this.
    and you will never see it corrected.....

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    Great quote! :)
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Aug 1, 2017

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    This now ia a socialistic country.... they have just not admitted it yet or indicated that was the goal.

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    TDB, it is a mixed economy, but are still much closer to pure capitalism than we are socialism.

    Social security, medicare, military/defense, public schools, public libraries, police forces, prisons, fire departments, and roads/infrastructure are all can be considered social welfare programs and have improved our society in measurable ways. The government could definitely be a better steward of our tax dollars, but there is no need to fear the S word.
     
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  10. Settingcanthurt, Aug 1, 2017

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    Senseless bullshit.
     
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  11. twodicebilly, Aug 1, 2017

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    Not even close.... miles and miles away from the form of capitalism we practiced in 1945

    Social security is past broke because we used part of the money for socialistic programs. Disability, and payment to people that never worked or paid in.
    Medicare is now used to house millions of americans that are getting most of the their premiums paid by the government.

    Schools which teach what the federal government dictates

    You speak of roads, as did Obama in his speech indicating if you were in business and you thought you did well....you did not do that, you had nothing to do with that....remember..it was the government that built the roads....

    What Obama forgot was it was the development of business operations, logging companies... etc that made a road a requirement...you can built all the roads you want, but if they do not go to something some one developed, that serves no purppse

    Jacob.. if you presented the kind of country we have today at the delegation which voted to built this country they would have said no.... this is not what we want... not combined goverments that take about 37-40 cents of every dollar earned in this country...I bet you did not know that the value of every dime in savings and investments by all the people in this country total about 14 trillion..... the government got us in debt 20 trillion today....wiping out all that all of us have done and saved.....

    I admit we still have it better than most places in the world...so we look at that say why complain....you are doing that right now......imagine if you will the difference in the size and control of government the past 50 years.....now project that for the next 50 years.....then tell me the outcome would be the type of country we had........or that you want??

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    You're calling the quote by John Steinbeck "Senseless bullshit"?

    Do you even have a clue about his thinking as he penned this?

    I certainly have no intent to become a participant in this discussion thread, but read some of the posts.....I appreciate words penned by great writers is all.

    I see it as a literary "gem".

    If you see these words in a different context than I do, fine.
     
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    Not being personal here OAP but I read the quote a number of times and it make absolutely no sense.
    Many Literary Gems as you call this are senseless ramblings.

    "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

    I'm sorry OAP I just do NOT get it. It makes zero sense.

    Please educate me.
     
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    BTW if you and others here do not consider yourselves Communists then you need to learn about what you believe. As I study that quote it all comes to light.
    http://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/21cc/utopia/methods1/bourgeoisie1/bourgeoisie.html
     
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    Like two people standing in front of a painting, one say, "Wow, a great piece of art!". The other says, "What the hell is it?". :)

    And nothing wrong with that!
     
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  16. Settingcanthurt, Aug 1, 2017

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    It gets better...

    Our Eroneous Citation of John Steinbeck as the Author of “Socialism never took root in America…”
    A visitor sent an email yesterday about this quote we had published on the site, cited to John Steinbeck:

    Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

    A quick web search makes very clear that we aren’t the first or the last publication to contain this misattribution of the quote. But indeed, it’s not from Steinbeck. It may seem like a reasonable thing for the famous 20th-century author of Grapes of Wrath, but these aren’t lines that can be directly traced back to him.

    Such misattributions are common; student of quotations will be well aware that the words inside a quotation are often massaged, changed, and reshaped with time. Words also commonly latch on to unrelated famous people for no good reason whatsoever.

    Considering this phenomenon, I like to call to mind a “good old boy” citing a quote he mangles a bit that he doesn’t have the slightest idea of the provence of. When asked from where it’s come, he unveils his biases by whether he find it more plausible that Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain came up with it.

    Anyway, I quickly found that Wikiquote already has a note about the quotation on the Steinbeck page. It says, quite rightly:

    As quoted in A Short History of Progress (2004) by Ronald Wright.

    This is a quite helpful discovery. (Also, Wikiquote is jammed-packed with similarly useful information.) I parlayed that into a slightly more exact way of finding the best possible way to cite this quote: Google Books has scans of MANY works. And indeed, it does manage to have a text-searchable version of Wright’s A Short History of Progress. (This method is the easiest and cheapest way I know to get a linkable copy of a book’s sentence.) Here’s my best attempt to link it. The basic context is that on page 124, in the chapter entitled “The Rebellion of the Tools,” Ronald Wright writes:

    John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. This helps explain why American culture is so hostile to the idea of limits, why voters during the last energy shortage rejected the sweater-wearing Jimmy Carter and elected Ronald Reagan who told them it was still “morning in America.” Nowhere does the myth of progress have more fervent believers.

    One can easily understand how the first misattribution happened. But the broader context makes quite clear that Wright is simply paraphrasing, not quoting Steinbeck. So citing the inner fragment as the work of Steinbeck is clearly an error.

    The quote in the Quodid database has been updated to match our current understanding. Please don’t hesitate to email us as quodid at gmail if you have further questions about the accuracy of a quote’s citation inside or outside of our database!
     
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    Except one sees a painting of a fire and what he is looking at is a window and the fire is the house next door. Not meaning to offend here at all. It's just contrast is stunning.
     
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    But should not come as that big of a surprise, it would be a crazy, crazy world if we all thought alike!

    In many things, diversity is the spark that drives the mechanism, understanding that, and accepting it, is part of living an adventuresome life....I think!

    Stand strong on those things you passionately believe in, but never lose your sight of the goodness of the whole of humanity!
     
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    The top income tax rate in 1945 was 94% and federal tax receipts as a percentage of GDP were higher than they are now.
     
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