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Discussion in 'Offtopic Lounge' started by basicstrategy777, Jul 10, 2017.
The picture at end is so true and these idiots do not understand it. Commie bastards
Hey, what happened to your Socialist Propaganda? I sure hope it wasn't something I said.
No No no. Let me explain. Ya see the video is about Socialism right? It ends with pictures of Marx, Lennon & ? the communist architects.
In some areas the fighting between Trump and all the people he has pissed off has made it
impossible to make the really big changes we require..
Now I understand this, without Trump we would have never had the chance to make the changes,
and with him, we wont be able to... Hell like Madison said you have a republic if you can keep it.
On the heath care issue the horses have already left the barn..... the people are speaking
those who now want to replace and repeal are down to 23%, dems that want that 5%, Independents
that want that 22%, republicans 54% Trump supporters down to 47% and none Trump supporters 8%
Those that want the republics to work with the dems to fix it are 77% over-all....91% of the dems, 72%
of the independents, 41% of the republicans, 46% of the Trump supporters, and 87% of the non
the reason we have Trump is the will of the people indicated they had not liked the direction of the country
and now they have indicated there is way to much dinking around.....fix what we got and move on....
Trump had the right ideas.. however he does not have the ability to play well with anyone....actually no one.
I hate the idea that this country has to reply on people like John Mc cain to get something done, it turns my
stomach...however the truth of the matter is there are only so many republican senators...you wont get a single dem...
zero.... you have to be able to get along with everyone in your sandbox... you may piss and moan about that, but
that is a fact....Trumps mouth has burned to many bridges and to be honest, there are a couple of republican senators
that would allow this country to go down in flames before they would support him....John Mc Cain is one....and every
dem would do that....so behind closed doors Trump is going to have to eat some crow or republicans will never in your
life time control the house or the senate.......AGAIN
Some of you guys still think his is in complete control and everything will work out ok.......not in a million years would
that happen if he does not mend some fences quickly, I understand he thinks he is fighting the swamp...but it is a
very big swamp and he keeps poking holes in his boat,
The health bill will be on his desk to sign by the end of the month.
What will you say then ?
This guy will clean out the swamp,
Kid Rock confirms Michigan Senate run - Fox News
To clean out the swamp is a task that borders on the impossible.
If it is to be done, it can only be accomplished by a man with extra-ordinary qualities and abilities and commitment and leadership.....almost super-human. For the nation to find such a man requires devine inter-vention. And I'm not sure if the Lord , after looking at our sorry ass, wouldn't say..."screw it, they made their bed now they can lay in it ; BUT, I sent my son to save them a while back I guess I can give them a hand again. After all, although I am a just God, I am also a merciful God. Also, I do have that bumper sticker on my chariot. "
RE: Kid Rock.
Kid Rock has watched too much TV....he will fold like a cheap lawn chair once he gets in the heat of political battle.
You may be right, but it should be great theater....
It would be a little easier if you had a smaller swamp which did not extend to both the democratic,
republican parties, the court and the press and 90% of the colleges in the country, and also if
you were God.
Trump is hardly god, while incredibly talented, he is also the most flawed president in history. Now
I admit the vast majority of his problems are made up by the democratic party, no question, But...and
this a very big But.... when you are dealing with dishonest liberals... and I think they all are...you have
understand and act accordingly.... If you have a deep cut on your hand you take care of it, you
don't expose it to everything you possible can that will get that infected...
See 777, I sit here with two thoughts....first liberal dems have done so much damage to this
country, that any thought of its being the country it was supposed to be is over, never to be
seen again...When you have cancer in our brain and they cut it out, part of your mental
process goes with it....never to be regained.....that's where we are....we allowed this to go way
to far. You cant even fight a revolution over this....we lost either because we did not pay
attention, we did not care enough we took everything for granted...all of the above...
My second thought is when you get a limitation you adjust, you make the best of what you have
left...We still have a very small level of freedom over parts of our lives, we still have the ability
to pass knowledge along to our kids and our wealth, we can make their lives better than many
places in the world.. My hope to salvage the parts remaining can be seen in the congressional
maps of the United States......44 states are almost all red... that is a process that has been
expanding our way... You take out California, New York, Illinois and Minnesota, the vast
majority of the country actually feels and acts like Americans....The more these 4 states
act to isolate themselves, spend themselves in to oblivion, allow themselves to be taken
over by people that are not here as Americans... the better chance we have to survive.
But in that process you need to understand, that does not mean go back to the 1950's to the
America you and I both want..... it means to start where we are now...and make the country
the best it can be......from where we are now....
I know you don't like what I say, you think I am to negative....you think I don't understand
Donald trump......well I cant help that.....within 60 days... you will see what I said was
correct....There will be no heath care bill that ends all of Obama giveaways...that is here
to stay.... there will be no 15% corporate tax, there will be no middle class tax cut...there will
be no balanced budget, there will be no lowering of our debt...
There will be some darn good changes starting from what Trump found... more freedom
to produce energy, more control on immigration, more conservative people on the courts,
more pressure in 44 states to have freedom of thought in more colleges, a greater
awareness of crimes commited by illegals, and as we speak over 50% of americans want
some control over abortions.....
Being a country that indicated it was of and by the people, you need to understand you
cant drain the swamp by scouping water out if it, you need to drain it from the bottom,
the people in those 44 states have to make the swamp a p[lace where less people
want to be...
that has to be done by the people, not Donald Trump
The battle is won by he who is mentally strong.
I will not settle for half-way measures RE: saving only a part of the country. I want it ALL turned around, as does Trump. You think he is mentally strong ?......stronger than these little wimps and cowards nipping at his heels. Why do you think he has prevailed and gone as far as he has. Beware....or you'll get a missle up your ass.....you doubt it ?
If he called out to the country, a call to arms........do you think a multi million man army would be at his side to save the country ? How many liberals have guns anyway ?
His task is truly monumental....like asking a man with no arms and legs to climb mt. everest. He will only succeed if God is on his side and He wants him to succeed. So far so good.
And why do you say he is flawed ? Because he grabs pussy and talks plain ? Because he doesn't take shit and dishes it out ?....Tell me, why is he the most flawed president ever. He sounds and acts like a regular guy to me.
We are all flawed in one way or another.. so we adjust ..no one is perfect.
Trump is flawed in that he is not secure, so he attacks anyone that questions him...he
has to have the last word and when he feels his response is not strong enough, he makes
his attacks personal..... even you have to see that...
I don't like Mc Cain but his response that he only respects veterans that did not get
captured ??????now think about that.......???
I will build the wall and have Mexico pay for it......????? think about that???
A really smart person does not make enemies for no reason that he will need later and
will not make a promise there was no reason to make....
I know a number of businessmen that have done well... that I don't care for at all....one of them
beat his wife for years.... another chased women for years, still another molested a young
girl.... they were all successful businessmen...... but as a person... now that was another story.
being a successful politician or a successful businessman..does not mean much today.
Now I agree, no matter what republican would have won... the liberals would have treated
them just as they treat Trump......but Trump has made a number of enemies on his side
if that is not a flawed approach, I have never seen one.
I am not trying to bust your balloon, I just think we must find a way to get decent americans
to push the agenda.
If saying what you think, without a filter, and not caring what anybody else thinks, is a flaw.....then he has a flaw. He is not out to make friends; if you don't like what he says or his position.....tough. Do something about it and may the best man win.
I don't care about flaws....I care about what he says he wants to accomplish and if he can get it done.
Do you have ANY doubt about what his position is on any subject......
Do you know exactly where he stands ?
I think it is refreshing.
You agree or you don't agree with his positions...........
I look at the greater good and what he wants to do ......I will accept his faults as they pale in comparison to his agenda and willingness to put everything he's got into getting it done, at great physical and emotional toll to himself and his family. You think he needed this at 70.
You and the liberal media can continue to focus on Russia for another 6 months....brilliant. ........that's not what I am focusing on.
TDB.....you have heard about the very, very slim chance of getting the health bill passed. There is even talk they don't have the votes to bring it to the next stage and even have a vote on it......right now, it looks very grim.
Let me ask you......you think Trump can get this passed in the next 3 weeks ? You think he has what it takes to pull this off ?
Or do you think he pissed off too many people and he has not enough friends.
there are two parts to that answer.
No Trump cant do it,,, he made to many enemies.
Second.... even if it did pass it would not get us back to
where we were when Obama passed it...
The welfare healthcare is here to stay...end of story
If I were the reps I would have just allowed it to implode on
its own.....then maybe you could have gotten a bill we could
have lived with.
You need to understand SOMETHING...... the entire dem party is
pushing for socialism.... that is there goal...... the republican senators
have a whole lot of different goals....that is why there were `17
of them running for president...and only 2 dems... a democratic
socialist and a real full blooded socialist....
Short of a full revolution of types by the 44 states that still
believe in the type of America you and I do...nothing will change
and we will drift into a time where 1% growth is ok, the middle
class will get smaller and smaller and soon there will be a re-evaluation
of our currency that is a path to a country like France...with one
exception.... in the past when the world faltered. they always had
the American middle class to bail them out....our consumption
created the worlds jobs.... when we no longer do that....well, I think
you can see the future then...
Humpty dumpty sat on a wall, humpty dumpty took a great fall and
all the kings horses and all the kings men could not put humpty dumpty
back together again....
If the middle class of this country does not react and fight for what it
still has...it would not continue to have it.That reaction has to be so large that it not only scares the republicans, but also the democrats... It would need to be something like 70% of the reps in those states either
stay home from work or do not pay taxes...
777 just as a point of interest as to where we are.....there has not been a single significant conservative bill passed by the senate and house in the past 14 years....kids 31 years old and younger have never seen an affect of a conservative idea on their life....
2DB....I agree with much of what you say.
The health bill did not pass which is a set back for Trump, but it just was not meant to be. Even though this will appear as a hit for Trump I am glad the bill did not pass. The reason is, the democrats own obama-care 100 percent and it is a dismal failure. I don't agree with you that the bill did not pass because Trump made too many enemy's. It did not pass because McCain delayed the vote.....the majority in the Senate is too slim and only 2 or 3 votes can kill the bill, which is what happened. I believe if McCain was there he would have been able to push it thru, with pressure and negotiation.. IMHO.
I prefer, instead of band-aiding obama-care, the entire bill is repealed, destroying totally Barry's legacy, and the new plan, be a totally republican plan. I understand the clintons and obama has pushed for and got us well down the road to socialized medicine, which will be difficult if not impossible to retreat from, however, it should be selective socialized medicine , to help those truly in need, not a free lunch for everyone.
This, the republicans will have to figure out. Everyone will not be happy with the final result, but it is an opportunity for the republican party to redeem itself in this area and make something good, fair, and lasting. Let's hope.
It is unfortunate, both party's main job is getting re-elected and America be damned. Self interest and TV face time rules the day.