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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Linaway, Mar 9, 2014.

  1. $nakeEye$, May 2, 2014

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    TDVegas -

    When I come to Las Vegas - I will definitely contact you and we will hook up -

    I will allow YOU to watch MY MAGIC in the casino of YOUR choice -

    YOU are ONLY entitled to WATCH MY MAGIC as I deficate in the toilet bowl of your favorite casino's men's room -

    THAT is the TOTAL extent of YOUR WORTHINESS - IN MY NOT so humble opinion !

    Take that and stick it where the ' sun doesn't shine ' !

    I / WE - theCrapsForum - have YOUR number !

    MOST Sincerely !

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  2. $nakeEye$, May 2, 2014

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    TDVegas -

    Obviously YOU have PROOF to back up your derogatory claim against this fine gentleman !

    POST said evidence !

    $...eE..$
     
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  3. Liman

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    all I know is dice manipulating was rarely, and I mean rarely seen at tables before the internet.
     
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  4. $nakeEye$, May 2, 2014

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    Perhaps you might give serious consideration to modifying your response to :

    " all I know is dice manipulating was rarely, and I mean rarely " RECOGNIZED " at tables before the internet. "

    Even " I " would tend to totally agree with that ' revised ' quote !

    $...eE..$
     
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  5. Linaway, May 2, 2014

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    There that noise is again. I think TD's hard drive is going bad.

    About your information, wrong again. I have never been removed from a board. Any claims that I have been are wrong. I have left a couple because of the BS going on, but never removed from one while still a member. After I was gone, could be they removed my membership. I don't let damaged doors bang me in the butt when I leave. No reason to go back and look. By the way, I feel left out. You didn't critisize my report to you about Dice Hierarchy. Just as well, anything you might have had to say about it would have been wrong anyway.

    Linaway
     
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  6. superrick, May 2, 2014

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    I've been shooting and setting the dice from the first time that I picked them up I spend about 4 hours a day on a practice table, we have five different table bounce characteristics on the one table at Harley's house, all we have to do is to remove the ring, and slip in our half table panels that gives us four different playing surfaces, plus the one that is on the full table him!


    Linaway makes a few training aid, that will help anybody in their shooting, now he doesn't do it to make money, he does it to help others and it gives him something to do in his retirement, I personally think that they under priced, I use his target zone detector to help anybody that has asked for my help, that is on the one board that I help run it's a good way of reinforcing what the shooter is doing, as it does give a tone every time you hit in the center of the target, which will not interfere with your shot! It also gives you a count of how many times you hit your target.

    Some times when I'm practicing I have 200 sets of dice on the table, and keep shooting until there is just to many dice at table end, I then just rake them off to one side and keep shooting, as fast as I can.

    I want to be on autopilot every time I pick up the dice, the faster you learn to make a shot, the easier it is to get on autopilot.

    I hear it all the time from others that they have a problem with their betting and shooting, because they can't do two things at the same time. Autopilot allows you to do more things at once. I track every table I play on, I track ever shooter on the table and I can tell you what the right or left die did when I'm shooting!

    I also use some of the things that Linaway does, like reading the dice, he knows more about the dice then anybody I know, you have to know what just happened with everyone of your shots, if you are going to become a DI, not all dice are created equal, casinos are now using very cheap dice that are out of balance. Reading the dice has become more important than ever. If I make a couple shots and I'm not get the outcome that I should be getting I immediately know what I need to do to correct the problem.

    Linaway and his son are the only ones that I know that have done an in depth study on dice that would help the shooter out and the player. Now with that said, let the attacks begin, I really don't care I realized a long time ago that casinos need losers and if it wasn't for them I wouldn't have a craps game to play!

    Craps to me, is like playing chess, I know that if I am seen something I have to make a counter move if I expect to win money. Most craps players, might as well be blind when they are playing, they have no clue as to what they are seeing happening on the table. To them there are no trends everything depends on hundred percent luck, and there is no skills in playing the game.

    They are to busy socializing, and couldn't tell you about anything that happened in the last five rolls of the dice. They believe everything they have read in the one book that they may have bought, after all why buy more then one that guy that wrote it was after all an expert on the game. Wrong is all I can say, most books are just about the same, the authors were too lazy to do any real research on their own, they took what has been written before and to their own little spin on it. If you picked up a book that was written 20 years ago and compared it to something that was written last year, basically it would be same book!

    Linaway and his son are two free thinkers, and like any other great thinkers, some want to put them down for what they came up with, it would cut into their school profits, hell the guys that they sold their school to wouldn't need to keep coming back for all of those refresher courses, that they sell.

    $nakeEye$ smart move on your part is all I can say, I think that it will improve your shooting!
     
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  7. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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  8. Liman

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    recognized by the 3 times a year player.
    I watched everyone roll, watched everyones hands and fingers, always wondering if I was going to see an actual cheat, but spend many hours at the tables.
    I myself have purchased a kit on DI/DS from someone who is a member on this board.
    I was not closed minded to anything I thought would be worth investigating.
    I purchased it back around 99, 2000, I still have the quick index business card to remind you how to set.
    I practiced and practiced, and after a long time, after speaking with people in the industry, pit bosses, and by the evidence then and today that casinos don't give much weight to this simply because if they were worried about it, they would adjust a table to have so much bounce or something else it would make it that much more impossible.
    Obviously, the casinos aren't worried, pit bosses don't bother many unless ofcourse they aren't hitting back walls,and my personal opinion for me, is that until I see someone do it consistenly, it doesn't work.

    and I never saw many shooters setting dice back before the internet, but I did see some. And I knew what they were doing, it was obvious, setting the dice to 2 threes in a v shape, cant hide it.
    but I never saw any of it make a difference.
    but since the internet explosion and so many websites,, theres at least one guy at every table setting up the dice.
     
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  9. superrick, May 2, 2014

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    Lets see,.. I drive a ZO6 Corvette, for one of my three vehicles I own, I live in Henderson, and I know some of the best DI's in these country.







    So lets see the only thing we know about you is your a flamer, that could be anywhere in the world, sitting behind your computer, writing BS, there are plenty of DI's that I've spent time with on the table. I write to help other out, it looks like you do it to stir things up. I have nothing to prove to a flamer. That nobody has ever met, for all I know you could be living in Canada, and be my best buddy the Madprofessor, doing what he does best and that is to writing fiction, you missed it when you are trying to say that I'm a broke degenerate gambler!

    So flamer do you have anything else you want to add to this thread that will help anybody out? By the way how about answering my question about how a casino wins money on the craps table!

    You tried to insult me and a few other board members, and I think we all know that your just some Flamer, that has nothing better to do, that is hiding behind a computer, try it some place else, maybe it will work there! There are a lot of boards that love the kind of stuff you are writing, on some of the boards they love to call others names!
     
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  10. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    What ended up happening is that with the proliferation of the Internet, it drew in every huckster and shyster who thought he could sell something. Some of these dolts are charging $500 or more for lessons. There are 1,000's "you can beat the house" books. You are right, if the casinos saw this as a viable threat (and they damn do take those seriously) they would have acted accordingly. You get all these nuts claiming they get hassled by the casino. I call BS. I've never seen anyone get called out unless they weren't reaching the back with their rolls. DI is a farce. What likely happened is someone started the ball rolling by claiming hecould do it. He "taught" or sold to his "mark" who happened to win on his next visit. Next thing you know, it spreads like wildfire and everyone is on board with dice control. It's a farce, a gimmick, and at this point an excuse for degenerate gamblers to justify a bad habit. Makes people feel better about their habit if in their head they just aren't gambling, but gambling and winning. Total farce. You have excepted reality like most who view the game as enjoyment and at the same time like to and want to win.
     
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  11. petroglyph, May 2, 2014

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    I hate to get drawn in if this is some private urinating competition however it does seem you are attempting to talk down to at least a couple people who definitely don't deserve it from my personal experience with them.
    I'm glad you don't beleive in di and would like it better if you could convince the casino's. Probably what got me to post is if you haven't seen heat from pit crews except for not hitting the back wall you don't play much imo.
    I think that target zone indicator is really neat, if you don't I don't get the slam, what is your motivation?
    I don't see either of these people involved with selling lessons or books. I don't know what the landing zone indicator costs but I"m pretty sure I couldn't build one at all let alone for whatever is charged for it.
    I agree there has been lots of propaganda sold and people charged for what they didn't receive but it didn't come from linaway or Superrick. On the contrary, these two have continually tried to expose the bs.
     
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  12. eddiebones, May 3, 2014

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    Superrick, would you detail a little more for me on how you swap out your table base to get your different bounces? Very interested, thanks eddiebones.
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, May 3, 2014

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    superrick.....not to be outdone, you might enjoy this. It is a video of Vettes as you have never seen them. Mine is the first one on the dyno....the last one one should catch your eye. If you are not a member of the corvetteforum.com you should check it out.

    http://forums.corvetteforum.com/northeast/3434335-posse-dyno-day-8.html


    I apoligize to the members here for posting non dice subject here.

    777
     
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  14. superrick, May 3, 2014

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    basicstrategy777,... I already knew you were a Corvette enthusiasts and owner. We would have a 2014 in the driveway but nobody would deal, and then we hear of some of the problems they were having with the new ones!

    Our last Vette at the 50th Anniversary, Driving through the Smokey Mountains. My wife had a centerfold spread in one of the Corvette magazine in this Vette!

    Now back to the dice and the name calling, and trying to cut a poster down, by saying things that are not true, some people are just pathological liars, and can't help themselves I understand that, but take it someplace else! Linaway was never kicked off any of the boards!
    Taking cheap shots at posters only goes to show what a poster is made of, some are nothing but BS! They have no Useful thoughts of their own, they can only flame others!

    When not on the craps tables, I spend a lot of time with the Corvette clubs around Vegas!
     
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  15. $nakeEye$, May 3, 2014

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    Liman -

    You are I are very similar -

    Scary ( for YOU ) isn't it ?-

    I'm only involved since 2010 - purchased the PARR material - no classes - just the videos and manuals -

    I also " watch " people - how they handle the dice , set them , throw , bet , etc. -

    You can learn a world of knowledge just by observing people's moves, antics, etc. -

    A lot of people " set the dice " nowadays - BUT - that is about the extent of their " dice expertise " -

    Then HALF of the people who set the dice with " 3V " on the TOP - neglect to look at what numbers are facing them -

    Those numbers should be easy way 6's or 8's - BUT - many are 3's or 11's -

    Because NO ONE told them to look beyond the " 3V " on the top -

    Sad, very sad - but so, so true !

    $...eE..$
     
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  16. Linaway, May 3, 2014

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  17. TDVegas, May 4, 2014

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    These guys aren't "manipulating" the dice results, Liman. It's a gigantic farce. Most of these guys have huge egos covering up some convoluted insecurity that admitting they have lost over the long haul of playing is some slight on their manhood. You can tell by their demeanor that admitting a loss is like admitting some gigantic character flaw. DI has become the new excuse to justify regular gambling among this crew. They still lose, but the mind tells them they are controlling the dice, so gambling is no longer a un-winnable (over the long haul) vice but something they feel they can beat. I don't care what "Jimmy snake oil" or "Con-job 7 out" or "hard 8 willie" want to sell you (in writing or a product) on their "skills". They all know, in the end they have lost more than they have made. The true only pass and don't pass players with odds have knocked the odds down to less than 1%, so the losses are likely minimal. The ones taking fire bets (20% HA), placing the 10 (6.67%) or betting the field (you get better odds playing red or black on roulette) or hedging bets...they are all long haul losers. An ego the size of Mount Rushmore prevents them from saying so. I guess the mentality is their invented spot on the ladder in this forum moves down if they admit they lose.
     
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    although I personally don't believe in dice manipulating, I cannot say there isn't anyone out there that can do it.
    I have witnessed some guys setting up the dice with robotic like tosses make many numbers, but my problem with them is that they themselves were not betting on anything they were producing, leading me to believe it was nothing more than a random event. When the dice went to them again and again, there was little consistency as far as making themselves money, and if they did happen to have a run of 6 or more numbers, once again they didn't bet it themselves.
    I made a small fortune on a DI/DS guy in valley forge, he hit nothing but 4s. He didn't bet a nickel on the 4. For me, that means the 4s just came up unexpected to him, and when he 7'd out, he did no better or worse than if any other random shooter rolled.
     
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  19. eddiebones, May 4, 2014

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    Liman I think you can do it,you have all the makings of a very proficient DI. Come over to the Outside, the force Will be With you!
     
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  20. superrick, May 4, 2014

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    The flamer keeps saying just because he's a loser everybody else has to be one, boo, boo, boo, the flamer is a loser! The math of the game has to work out every time. The flamer can't make a bet that will win, boo, boo, boo, the flamer is a loser!

    He would never play a fire bet because nobody can beat the house edge of lets get this right flamer,.. %25 its not 20%. I will tell anybody that DI's can't win all the time, unless they are reading fiction, I also tell everybody that I don't win every time I walk into a casino. But the one thing I know for a fact is you can win over the long run! But 99.99% of all the craps players out there are just to damn lazy to even pick up a few book on what they are playing, and if they do pick up a book, they only buy one and think the the author is a god, and if they do everything they say in the book on how to play they will come out a winner,..wrong!

    Craps is a very psychological game, if you're negative you don't stand a chance, you will play the don't, standing at the table hours on end, trying to eke out a win, and the house with just grind you down!

    Losers think the longer they stay at the table the better their chance is of winning,..wrong again!

    Real DI's, know how to make money on their shooting and the so-called random roller! They know when to walk away from a table when things start to go bad, they limit their losses, and move on to a different table, most of the time in a different casino.

    There are very few real DI's in this country, there are plenty of players that set the dice, some players will never even see a real DI. The casinos have nothing to worry about when it comes to the DI thing!The stuff written by great fiction writers like the Madprofessor just doesn't happen in real life, but it happens everyday in La, La land!

    Flamers love to call others names they try to use cheap shots to make themselves look good! Surly there is no way that guys like me could ever win, we all have to be degenerate gamblers, like they are!
     
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