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Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Linaway, Mar 9, 2014.

  1. $nakeEye$, May 1, 2014

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    777 -

    In ALL seriousness - NO - I do NOT understand your " logic " in this statement -

    The " House - Casino " has an " edge " on Each AND Every " game " that they offer under their roof -

    THEY are in the " gambling business " but do NOT gamble -

    WIN , LOSE or DRAW / PUSH - the CASINO ALWAYS WINS -

    THAT is their edge / cut / profit/ cost of doing business / any which way that you desire to define it -

    THEY are guaranteed a win - whether they win the bet or they lose the bet -

    YOU WIN and get paid LESS than what you are supposed to paid - according to the " ODDS " of the game -

    SO Friggin' WHAT !

    BIG DEAL - So YOU claim -

    I say - " Grow up and deal with it " - " That's life in the fast lane " -

    I will wager $5 on the Fire-Bet most times when in the casino - AND I will either place $102 outside - OR $50 outside depending on WHO holds those cubes ! -

    OR - wager NADA either way and wait and see !

    $...eE..$
     
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  2. superrick, May 1, 2014

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    Hey,..if I asked the question, how do casinos win their money I don't think guys like TDVegas could come up with the right answer! They think that by playing the don't they have a good bet because of the low house edge, but why do so many don't players still lose?


    I'm going to keep using TDVegas as a poster child, because he just doesn't get it, the casinos run off any player they think can beat them, not because they know the math of the game can protect them, but because they know that they can lose! I will keep repeating this not all players are losers, but negative ones are! They are beat before they place their first bet!


    They can preach that everybody is a loser, and I have to admit that most players are, and I want to take this time to thank all of them that think its fun to lose at craps. Just ask any tourist that comes to Vegas how much money they bring with them, and they will all tell you just about the same thing, they brought X amount of dollars to lose! They just don't care and wouldn't invest any time figuring out any game that they play!


    Now I have to ask TDVegas why he would think that everybody out there is a loser playing craps? Is it because he can never win, and think that everybody should follow suite? Are you just a negative person? I see don't players all the time thinking that they are playing with the house,...Wrong! They would never think of developing any bet skills whatsoever. There is plenty of written material, on casino management that says there are players out there that can beat the casinos at craps, with good betting skills and money management, if you take the time to buy books on casino management.
     
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  3. superrick, May 1, 2014

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    Hey,..if I asked the question, how do casinos win their money on craps, I don't think guys like TDVegas could come up with the right answer! They think that by playing the don't they have a good bet because of the low house edge, but why do so many don't players still lose?


    I'm going to keep using TDVegas as a poster child, because he just doesn't get it, the casinos run off any player they think can beat them, not because they know the math of the game can protect them, but because they know that they can lose! I will keep repeating this not all players are losers, but negative ones are! They are beat before they place their first bet!


    They can preach that everybody is a loser, and I have to admit that most players are, and I want to take this time to thank all of them that think its fun to lose at craps. Just ask any tourist that comes to Vegas how much money they bring with them, and they will all tell you just about the same thing, they brought X amount of dollars to lose! They just don't care and wouldn't invest any time figuring out any game that they play!


    Now I have to ask TDVegas why he would think that everybody out there is a loser playing craps? Is it because he can never win, and think that everybody should follow suite? Are you just a negative person? I see don't players all the time thinking that they are playing with the house,...Wrong! They would never think of developing any bet skills whatsoever. There is plenty of written material, on casino management that says there are players out there that can beat the casinos at craps, with good betting skills and money management, if you take the time to buy books on casino management.
     
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  4. basicstrategy777, May 2, 2014

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    Snake........you are talking about the House....I am talking about an individual.

    The house wins overall, on all their collective bets, but they do not win from every player. ( not talking about house advantage here); some players leave the casino with more money than they walked in with.

    And as an aside, casino's can fold due to money issues, ala Becky Binion. There are no guarantees, in spite of the odds. Like people, some casino's just run out of money in spite of the house edge. I guess they don't have a good....basicstrategy.

    The logic of the statement....' there are some lifetime craps winners' is not that far-fetched. To say there is not ONE craps player in the entire history of mankind to not be a lifetime winner is not logical.

    Also, in addition to logic, you have math that will tell you, mathematically, that there will be lifetime craps winners. I can't give you the formula, but I'm confident that mathematically you can prove there can be lifetime winners.

    Granted, there won't be many........but there will be some. Maybe, more than you think.

    Especially, when you can control the dice........right ?

    777
     
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  5. Sancho Panza, May 2, 2014

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    If you're trying to say that casinos win in the long run, that's generally accurate, barring other problems like mismanagement, disasters and so on. If you are trying to imply that casinos never lose in the short run, that is not correct.
     
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  6. Sancho Panza, May 2, 2014

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    Casinos win on volume. Don't players still lose because of variance, mismanagement of money, inattention, distraction or a myriad of other reasons. Basically it's just not enough discipline to walk away when ahead, preferrably at the win goal.
     
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  7. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    That's short term variance. In the long haul, the casino will eventually come out on top. Are there people who are winners playing continuously for 10 years? Maybe you can find a needle in a haystack but it's too much of an isolated event to consider it as anything useful.
     
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  8. basicstrategy777, May 2, 2014

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    If there is short term variance than there is long term variance.

    No one is talking about useful. The question is.....are there life time craps winners.

    You don't have to be brilliant to say the casino has the edge and are winners in the long term.

    That is not the question.

    And that's all I'm going to say about that.

    777
     
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  9. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    Not really. There is short term variance that defies the math but long term results will eventually meet up with the math. You will never know when that short term variance is going to turn. Eventually it does. If you want to go into the casino everyday and make 1 bet, win or lose...maybe over the course of a year you are a winner. Odds say no, but short term variance kicks in. Every moment you stay there longer the results begin to mesh with reality. When you have people in here having multiple bets with a combined house edge (let's use Stuporick and his 20% fire bets) in excess of 8-10% on every roll, the idea that you can be a regular player and come out ahead is beyond stupid. Is there one guy out there who is going to claim a winner? I guess anything is possible. There may also be another occupied planet. I can't give much thought or credence to it.
     
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  10. basicstrategy777, May 2, 2014

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    You say......"There is short term variance that defies the math but long term results will eventually meet up with the math. "

    Does this mean that numbers are due ?...........If a 7 is not due, must a 7 ever be rolled in your lifetime ?.........Must it ? The mathematicians say it's not compensation...it's inundation. Just keep rollin' baby.

    Your short term is not the universes short term........

    You should expand your thinking. Things are not always what they seem. You should not put your views on this game in little boxes and put them away. I think that is a mistake.



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  11. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    Not that they are due but over time the percentages that those numbers appear will correlate with the mathematical formulas. Otherwise, there is no casino business. What you are holding on to is hope or a dream or "I can buck the odds" and that's fine. It crosses the line when 2/3'rds of the posters here claim it is them. Just isn't adding up.
     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, May 2, 2014

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    Quite a while back I jumped into a thread to inform you of my record. The W-L is presently 592-561, +$11,430 since July 2004, when I re-caught the bug and began to keep records of play. Admittedly, if it weren't for five or six nice sessions, the finances would be on the minus side, as most "wins" are < $100 and nearly ALL losses are $150 to $175.
     
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  13. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    Can't tell you how many times I've played and seen guys dipping into their wallet for another $100, then another and so on. Eventually you see this dumbfounded look on their face as they pull out their wallet and all the $100's are gone and they are fiddling thru $5's and 10's saying "where's the money I brought"? I wonder how many of those folks aren't counting properly and are posting here? My intuition tells me many....
     
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  14. Linaway, May 2, 2014

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    TD,

    I'll provide you with a partial meaning.
    I expect negative expectations.

    7, 6/8,5/9, 4/10, 3/11, number pairs.
    Then there are 6 basic axial arrays.
    Two levels of residency for 7's.
    Within 7's, there is no Hierarchy. They'all have equal nasty habits.

    What is an array. A group of more than a single item. There are number arrays, axial arrays and basic axial arrays.

    Then there are permutations which have hierarchy. Every time you pick up the dice, most don't have a clue about the depth of infomation those hexagon cubes contain.

    I know these things because that thing setting on my shoulders is more functional than a computer. Is yours, or is that just a hat
    rack for you?

    I know what a dice outcome means, do you? Dice have 3 axis, each axis has 2 faces per die. There configuration at outcome has
    very specific meaning and it is not contained in just the top die faces. That top number resides in more than one axial array. That
    number is displayed by the Table of 36 incrementations. That number when associated with other die faces tells you what
    axis the outcome is. More information than a big horse can crap to guide you as to what you need to do.

    No, there is nothing wrong with my grammar. No, what I speak is not a foreign language. It's very simply like a Dice Speak. You cannot understand it unless you learn what dice properties are. Those that play cards know every card in the deck. They know many times what to do based on what is apparent. Why would it be any different for dice. They are the most devistating or lucrative part of a craps game. Why would anybody not want to know all they could about them?

    Dice smarts has nothing to do with influence or control. However it has a great deal to do with how your bet, where, when and
    how much.

    Linaway
     
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  15. $nakeEye$, May 2, 2014

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    777 -

    Craps is a TOTALLY " Random ' game - AND a negative expectation game to boot !

    DI / DC does NOT work - last week when I was at the casino I came out on the H4 when I set the dice in the 2V with the 2/2 away from me -
    made the 4 after 4 rolls - I then set the ALL 5/9 dice set with the 5's away and down - came out on the 5 - and made the point 2 throws later -I then set the 3V with the 6's down and away from me -
    Came out on the 6 and returned the point 6 rolls later ( using the 2V ) - set the 3V with the 8's down and away from me - came out on the 8 - went back to the 2V set and threw a 10, 5 then I 7'd out.

    As you can readily see DI does NOT work - it is PURE LUCK - RANDOM RESULTS -

    The week before I hit 5 to the fire-bet with NO repeating point numbers and out-smarted myself when I established the 9 as my final point - maintained the same dice set - ALL 5/9 set -
    Threw an 11 after the point 9 was established - and subsequently 7'd out - HAD I stayed with the 2V set AFTER establishing the 9 as my 6th point - ????????? -

    So MY conclusion is " DI Does NOT work " !

    Yeah, RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!

    $...eE..$

    AND like I did NOT liberate $8K off the Norwegian Dawn when we took a 7 day cruise from NY playing 6 deck Black Jack - playing an ' obsolete ' system !
     
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  16. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    Oh no, not another story of "how my DI won me $1,000's"...

    I never hear those stories here. Never. Puppy dogs and lollipops for everyone!! Filet and lobster on Mr. Wynn!!

    Cue to stopwatch...tick tock. When is the next magical "my DI" post going to appear?
     
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  17. Linaway, May 2, 2014

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    PSST? Did anyone hear that noise? Oh that wasn't anything important, that was TD running of at the mouth.

    Oh wait, I think it's about to sound off again.

    Could be his hat is on too tight. That thing setting on his shoulders I think needs to be booted!

    Linaway
     
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  18. $nakeEye$, May 2, 2014

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    TDV -

    WHY is it - NO one hears of YOUR success stories ?

    Could it BE that there are NONE -

    You know - some people ' talk a good fight ' - THAT sounds like YOU - full of BS -

    I plan on going to Vegas around the 4th of July -

    A few ' craps associates ' of mine from AC are also going to be in Vegas at that time -

    Perhaps YOU, ME, SuperRick, Harley and any others would like to join up -

    THEN WE can SEE your superlative expertise at ' winging and flinging the dice in a random manner down the table ' -

    WHAT SAY YOU -

    I will show YOU MY stuff - I most certainly WANT to SEE YOURS !

    I am most certain - your Best Craps Buddy - Super Rick would also be interested in watching your expert toss technique !

    $...eE..$
     
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  19. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    I've stated on many occasions I will more than gladly watch any dice influencer work their magic. I'm 20 minutes to every casino in town. I never claimed to have an expert tossing technique. There is no such thing.
     
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  20. TDVegas, May 2, 2014

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    You've have been ostracized from countless boards....I showed my casino friends your flux capacitor video. 4 of them were on the floor laughing, the 5th one was just shaking his head
     
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