SHOULDER COMPUTER

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  1. basicstrategy777, Mar 10, 2014

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    I can understand other boards counting him out.

    His gospel is different than what they preach and it would upset their profitable applecarts.

    “When dealing with critics always remember this: Critics judge things based on what is outside of their content of understanding.”

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  2. basicstrategy777, Mar 10, 2014

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    Well....I have a post graduate degree and I still don't know what the fuck he's talking about.

    But I do know this.....he is a very smart guy, and I must say, for full disclosure, he is a friend. He has worked on this stuff for a loooong time and I guess you can say I believe on faith. That plus the fact he has put me on what we call the 6/4 brothers as my dice set when I toss. It has resulted, for whatever reason, in some monster hands. and better overall results. He can explain it, technically, why that particular set is good for me, I can't.

    I don't know if he will remain on the board or go into further detail on his stuff.

    I know if I kept getting rude comments I would tell people to pound sand.

    TD, I know what you are saying and I know where you are coming from.

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  3. Southern-Comfort, Mar 10, 2014

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    I, fir one, have never tried to be rude to lin, but I get the feel that he thinks I have. He's a hard read with his sentences that are correct structure but don't seem to say anything. Maybe if his approach was m,ore like "hey, I'm one of the guys, mind if I pull up and have a drink?". You say he's a friend. Does he really talk like that in real life?
    Ok, that said, I will throw this in his favor, Isaac Newton is said to have had the same issue, he could try to explain his stance on things but nobody could understand him. Maybe he's another Newton. <shrug>
     
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  4. TDVegas, Mar 10, 2014

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    When he starts a thread basically announcing that he's smarter than any computer, what does he expect to happen? For people to bow? If someone want to put his words into plain old, simple common sense logic, I'm more than willing to listen. I read every post and I can't for the life of me figure out any part of it. I might as well be listening to someone speaking Cantonese. Is he saying he sees imperfections in the dice that allow him an advantage? Is he saying he watches 500 rolls and makes a determination what will happen next? Is he saying grabbing the dice a certain way will lead to a pre determined outcome? Your move.
     
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  5. The Comeback Kid, Mar 10, 2014

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    I might be wrong, but I detect a bitter lonely elderly man beginning to lose it a bit, maybe physically - and he doesn't like it. So he starts a thread, but it's really a challenge. He's picking a fight with his very first Dice Hierarchy post. He's saying, hey come on, take yer best shot - I'm still valid, I'm the smartest man in the room, I used to be somebody. I was Chief Engineer! I'm still worthy - and I prove it you lame brains. See I'm so smart you don't know what the hell I'm talking about -
    ...and by the way, I know Latin.

    You don't have to prove your worthiness Lineaway.
     
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  6. KokomoJoe4, Mar 11, 2014

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    No judgements from me. If 777 says that Linaway knows of what he speaks and has helped his game, that has me taking notice.

    While I have no conceivable idea how a particular dice orientation, in conjunction with tosses, all of which possess variable forces, trajectories, spins, obstacle encounters, etc, etc, etc can consistently result in better than expected results at the table, I would use it. No expectations - it certainly won't be any worse, as I can be pretty good at the PSO.
     
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  7. basicstrategy777, Mar 11, 2014

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    Kokomo....I appreciate those words.

    As I mentioned earlier, Linaway is an old internet friend and I won't say anything against him. Having said that, I won't lie for him either.

    Truely, when he tries to explain things to me he loses me. I am at a disadvantage because I never devoted time trying to learn DI nor am I familiar with the lexicon; Because I can't see how it would be doable, why waste my time/money/effort. The Wizard comes from a totally different angle and the reason I pay heed to him is because he has helped me and he has devoted decades in studying the subject i.e. the dice. I don't know if he has something solid or it is a phantasmagoria.

    I am just not going to dismiss his life work, especially if it has helped me ; maybe not in a substantial way but definately some.

    I can very well understand those here taking the attitude they have and condemn no one for taking that attiude....it would be natural way to re-act. Getting along on craps boards and advancing his ideas, for whatever reason, is just not his strong suit. Some of the stuff he has uncovered has taken a long time to discover and he
    guards it closely and will not put it out there publically. It's kind of a catch 22 as people want to know and he doesn't tell.

    I'm sure this little spike in interest will quickly fade away and everything will return to normal.

    Small dreams do not stir the blood.


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  8. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 11, 2014

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    We think alike, Ke-mo sah-bee, though whether because our minds are great or weak would seem to be a matter of some debate. Linaway's diatribe's immediately reminded me of Kosinski in the Star Trek TNG episode "Where No One Has Gone Before".
    Ordered combinations and permutations?! By definition combinations ignore order making "ordered combinations" an oxymoron. By definition permutations require order making "ordered permutations" a redundancy. I can do without the Ask Dr. Science ("I know more than you do.") attitude and the insults for my failure to see that which is not there. Therefore, with great reluctance, for his/her posts have provided some comic relief, I have added Linaway to my killfile. While I defend to the death -- OK, maybe only vigorously -- one's right to say that of which I disapprove -- Take that, Voltaire! -- I defend with equal vigor my right not to listen to it.
     
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  9. superrick, Mar 11, 2014

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    Everybody is smarter then a computer, even the mentally challenged, well that is a very bold statement isn't it?

    The truth of the matter is, humans have intelligence, computers have yet to be programmed for artificial intelligence! Then again most humans have a tendency to forget who built the computers anyway.

    Yes, it's truly amaze all the information you can now get by doing a simple Google search, but the computer did not input that data humans are the driving force behind all that information your reading.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/08/why-cant-my-computer-understand-me.html

    Why would anybody want to let a computer to do their thinking for them, when it comes to gambling?

    You can't take the computer to the craps table with you, so what good is it doing you? They can't make intelligent decisions based upon what you are seeing at the time. What's the old saying “garbage in garbage out” no casino is going to let you stand and a craps table and input data into a computer, and even if they did, what would happen when you made a mistake with your input data?

    The fact that Linaway put out a challenge to get whoever reads what he posted, doesn't mean that his is a lonely old man! When you put out a challenge to stimulate conversation it doesn't mean that you know more than everybody!
     
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  10. Southern-Comfort, Mar 11, 2014

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    Last I heard (and I admit its been a few years since I last checked), computers can still only count to one.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Mar 11, 2014

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    He's calling his mind a "shoulder computer". That's a little different than saying everybody is smarter than a computer. If you can't detect the air of superiority in his post, then I don't have much to say.

    A computer on your head or in your hand will do you no good at the craps table anyway. Blackjack? Yes. Craps? No.
     
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  12. The Comeback Kid, Mar 11, 2014

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    With all due respect aren't we all a little "full" of ourselves. It goes with the territory.

    Is it any wonder we can even talk to each other, we're so cocksure of ourselves.

    And isn't that what makes a Master Crapsmen?

    If I see someone immersed in who he is, not giving a rip what anyone thinks.

    No matter how annoying - I'm in. Because invariably, he'll dominate the table & skew the probabilities his way.

    Fear, doubt, worry, anxiety, guilt - are for losers and have no place at the table.

    There is power in non-contradictory energy.
     
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  13. TDVegas, Mar 11, 2014

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    Sure, but he started a thread that did nothing more than advertise his own perception of his grandiose brain power. That goes a tad beyond being self confident and the back and forth arguments that this board epitomizes.
     
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    to be honest, don't we all want that 22 y/o cutie pie who never shot dice before, never walked within 20 feet of a craps table, but her daddy or boyfriend wants to invest his 150 bucks, so he eggs his daughter/gf on to step up and overcome her anxiety, worry about the other players getting mad at her, absolute fear of actually picking up the dice and tossing them and all that money bet on the table all waits for HER outcome. The pressure to a new shooter is tremendous, and I absolutely love it.
    Fear, doubt, worry, anxiety, they are perfect for a craps table in my opinion.

    Over the last xmas break, my niece was in from college, and we all took rooms at that shitbox hotel showboat in AC.
    My niece has just turned 21 and we got nice lavender wristbands.(I flirted with the security guard, Im sure she gave me one just to get me out of her sight).
    I dragged her kicking and fighting over to the first open table, told the few next to me, shes never touched dice before.
    We all threw so much money down on her first number. We all thought alike. Strangers, never met or saw each other, but we were like brothers and sisters with my niece holding the dice.
    She tossed a seven out right away, but that first minute waiting for her to roll, we all felt the anticipation, and we knew how uncomfortable she was.
    ya gotta love the way craps players think.
     
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  15. basicstrategy777, Mar 12, 2014

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    The powers of the mind are great. People don't use their imagination/mind enough to make things happen.

    It is a fact that pessimism breeds negative expectation and optimism breeds positive expectations. In short, " you get what you expect."

    The use of your imagination is a subject on to itself, but I believe can be helpful in all sports including the game of craps.


    “If you think you are beaten, you are;
    If you think you dare not, you don't.
    If you'd like to win, but think you can't
    It's almost a cinch you won't.
    If you think you'll lose, you've lost,
    For out in the world we find
    Success being with a fellow's will;
    It's all in the state of mind.

    If you think you're outclassed, you are:
    You've got to think high to rise.
    You've got to be sure of yourself before
    You can ever win a prize.
    Life's battles don't always go
    To the stronger or faster man,
    But soon or late the man who wins
    Is the one who thinks he can."

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  16. The Comeback Kid, Mar 12, 2014

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    Absolutely beautiful!
    The smart player will copy and paste the above, and let it be the poetry of his life.

    Soon you'll be spouting the leading edge nuances of Law of Attraction, mi amigo!
     
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  17. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 12, 2014

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    Basic Sevens and I go back a ways, and occasionally I have considered adding him to my killfile, or at least ignoring him "unofficially". The above is my new best reason for not taking those actions.

    The last verse of the poem reminds me of a Damon Runyon quote I have used before: "The race is not always to swift nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet it." Given that the lives of Walter D Wintle, author of "Thinking" (the poem, and yes, I had to look it up), and Damon Runyan seem to have overlapped I have to wonder if one inspired the other.
     
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  18. basicstrategy777, Mar 12, 2014

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    Midnite....That's a good question. RE: the 2 authors. Damon Runyon is a wonderful author ( and I have that quote in my book ) but I'm not too familiar with Wintle ( author of the poem; that's why I put it in quotes )

    I know you are bigger and better than that RE: putting me in your killfile. To be honest, I thought we were tighter than that, even tho I can be exasperating.

    Sure, I go against the establishment on some stuff but I also provide craps info not many know ( even you I believe ).....Everyone, no matter their station or education can provide nuggets, pearls, gems that can help us in some way. I never kill file anybody even if I really, really disagree with them or they rub me the wrong way. You never know when crazy talk can turn out to be right. " No great genius is without a mixture of madness."

    I leave you with something from M.G..........( think about it when you start gettng "uppity " )..........." It is unwise to be too sure of one's wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err. "

    I never told you midnite, that I have magical powers. If you play within the next 30 days, you will experience abnormally good luck. Think of me when it happens.

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  19. KokomoJoe4, Apr 27, 2014

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    In baseball, a batting average over 0.300 is phenominal. For most everyday MLB players, averages range between 0.220 - 0.340.

    Being neither a major leaguer nor an influencer of the dice, what is the "average" on axis result for the "better than average" to "good" influencer? How many rolls out of a hundred will be on axis?

    Assuming this percentage is relatively easy to agree upon by those in the know, I will be in a better position to judge the benefits of the various dice sets.
     
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  20. Southern-Comfort, Apr 27, 2014

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    roughly 44.44%
     
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