Should I stop betting World on come out roll?

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  1. Queta

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    I have played craps for years. For a long time I never played Prop bets and stuck with Come and Place bets. I didn't win usually and started playing a few Hard ways and 3-Way Craps on the come out rolls. For about a year now I have been playing World on each come out roll. I won doing that for awhile but now feel I am throwing money away. I know that the casino edge on prop bets are huge, but for awhile it seemed that was the only thing keeping me in the game. Any suggestions? I would appreciate other people's thoughts on this.
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  2. Twelve4s, Jun 6, 2016

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    Welcome to the club!

    Maybe not make the world your first bet ALL the time.

    Like you said, the vig is steep and will eventually eat your bankroll.

    Try pressing your number bets first, then if you want to throw some profits on the props, go for it!

    Good luck out there!
     
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  4. Craps Poopshoot, Jun 6, 2016

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    Its a bad bet! Any of the center table bets is a bad bet and you be far better off to never play them again.

    I know they are addictive because of the high payouts they bring. They are great when they hit, but devastating when they don't. The high house edge on those bets will soon enough weigh down on you and eventually eat up your all your wins and bust you!

    The book, The Dice Doctor goes in to more details as to why those bets are toxic to your success.

    Stop losing in the casino!
     
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  5. basicstrategy777, Jun 6, 2016

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    I'd bet it if there are alot of 2,3, and12's appearing on the come-out roll. By betting it, those numbers will stop showing....when they stop, I wouldn't bet it anymore.

    Over-all, you should not make it a staple of your play and bet it selectively, when I said.

    777
     
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  6. Onautopilot, Jun 6, 2016

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    If you really like the "lotto" type bets, prop bets, you might try something I use to do.

    I allotted a certain percentage of my bankroll to them, kind of a little fun betting.

    If I bought in for say $200, I would allot maybe 10% to a few high EV prop bets...hard ways, C&E, etc. Just a few dollars to play the lotto stuff.

    I seldom ever do that anymore, unless the little voice in my head says, "Do it!". :)
     
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  7. Twelve4s, Jun 6, 2016

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    It is good to listen to the "little voice!" That's luck talking!
     
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    Thanks I am planning to read The Dice Doctor soon. I need to get over my bad bet addiction. I always prided myself on playing the best bets and have read books on craps but started playing foolish bets, had some success with them and continued with them. My late dad would be so ashamed of me... he always went with the games and strategies that had a lower house edge. I need to get back to my original way of playing.
     
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    I like that idea. I appreciate your taking the time to reply.
     
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    Thank you for posting. I will keep that in mind.
     
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  11. Twelve4s, Jun 6, 2016

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    I bet your dad would be proud of you for joining the forum. It's kind of like shopping at the mall of ideas.
     
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    I echo OAP advice. If you like those bets, then allot a small portion of your bank roll to them and keep it separate. If those bets wins, keep the winnings there. Don't mix it with your regular bets. When you are depleted, it's time to give up on them.
    If I have not seen a 2,3,12 in a while, I will throw $3 on three way craps (bad bad bet). I understand that every dice roll is an independent event, but a part of me will always think that those "craps numbers are due."
    What can you do? Superstition is a big part of craps:rolleyes:
     
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  13. KokomoJoe4, Jun 6, 2016

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    Welcome Queta.

    I have played for about 37 of my 55 years, and have played a lot the past 12 years or so. I have NEVER played a World or even a C & E in my life. Maybe a coupe of Yo's, and I do mean only a couple.

    Why? If you are betting "right", you are at a distinct advantage on each and every come out bet you make. Why dilute your potential winnings by covering the underdog outcomes that beat you?

    I will accept the come out losers (they do happen after all) in order to maximize the amount won when this favored wager wins. More importantly, I will let every come out winner ride at least one time, often twice if lucky enough to hit two in a row.

    When they are showing in bucket loads as they sometimes do, I will also hop the reds with anything from $3 to $30, depending on how well things have been going.

    There have been more than one session where this sort of play has resulted in very nice wins.
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Jun 6, 2016

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    I agree, and it is all about having fun! And if you want to invest a little in the long shots, get the adrenalin flowing, who is to say if it's a bad bet....not me!
     
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    Hey KKJ,

    Hopping the reds is also a bad bet:p
     
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  16. KokomoJoe4, Jun 6, 2016

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    Not when you are way ahead and they hit.;)
     
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    Truedat. I have been known to parlay three way craps after the first hit and the second consecutive hit ($3 to $6 to $9). Even though it's a bad bad play, when it hit (and it did twice for me) it is sweeeeeeeet.:D
     
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  18. lone irish digit, Jun 6, 2016

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    Things seem weird to me. Pooper recomends the dice doctor? How could he recommend Sam? Doesn't he know that Sam was a good friend of MPs? Supperick might get rid of a sock puppet if he keeps that shit up. Another thing, Supperick and Hardley follow a lot of the betting strategies of JP. Pooper, do you know that JP and Heavy are very good friends. Strange things happening around here, could signal the end of the universe as we know it. (Sounds like a song from the seventies could be inserted here).
     
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  19. Twelve4s, Jun 6, 2016

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    Your 3 way red bet reminded me of this story,

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    I have to tell this story about a 3-way 7 player. It was at Caesars about a year ago, during the late night. I walk up to the table and there is a player with about $200-thousand in chips in front of him. No bets from this player are on the table, a shooter has the dice and is throwing numbers. Finally the shooter makes a pass.

    Mr $200,000 then makes the first bet that I had seen (remember, he was already at the table when I got there). He bets a $300 3-way 7 on the come-out, that's $100 on each.

    The shooter throws a number. Mr. $200,000 sits back and watches.

    To make a long story short, this guy only bet 3-way 7s on the come out, and if the previous 3-way 7 did not hit he increased the bet on the next come out. He sometimes made 3-way 7 bets for the shoote

    And to make a longer story even shorter, at one point he was up to $15,000 on each of the 7s.... and never hit.

    In about two hours of play, NO ONE threw a come out 7.

    And in a related story:

    I was at a table where a player bet $100 on 12 for 40 rolls in a row, and never hit. When he had exhausted the money he had for betting only the 12, the boxcars were coming like a freight train carrying wheat from Kansas... one after another.
     
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  20. Night Attack, Jun 6, 2016

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    I hardly ever play the prop bets and even less so crap bets. But some of the biggest wins I have seen with the smallest risk or outlay are when the crap numbers are being thrown in succession. A shooter once threw seven crap numbers in a row on a come out roll and a lady playing who was not afraid to press them walked away with over $5k.

    I would suggest you pick a particular time to make that bet, like on a come out roll if a crap number is thrown, or if a first timer is tossing the dice, or if a southpaw is tossing, whatever you decide but something that doesn't happen every second roll like the dice flying off the table. That way you don't risk it that often and you can start with a nickel then take it to a twenty horn and so on, and even if you only hit six crap numbers in a row you'll be able to afford those new shoes you so desperately want.

    I used to play a hi Lo every time a yo was the come out roll and if it hit which it did more often that you would expect, I would parlay it into an $85 each hi Lo hoping for a repeater. Never hit it to date and I don't do it much anymore but at times when I wasn't on as I was low on chips, i would see it come up two and three times. I may get back to it from time to time.
     
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