Short Craps Table

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  1. Kilroy, Apr 2, 2018

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    I'm new to the Craps Forum. I usually play at Blue Chip in Michigan City, IN.

    My wife and I were driving home from FireKeepers and stopped at Four Winds in Hartford, MI. They have the smallest craps table that I have played on. It is about 8' long and only has one person running it. My first throw had the dice bouncing off both ends of the table. Has anyone played on a small table before?
     
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  2. random_roller, Apr 2, 2018

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    Welcome to the forum, Kilroy.

    I played on a "bath tub" craps table years ago. Didn't really care for it, primarily because I wasn't used to it. Things just didn't look right. In another thread, I likened it to shooting bank shots at a hoop with an oval-shaped backboard after regularly shooting them off a rectangular backboard.

    Four Winds (New Buffalo, MI) has larger craps tables and it's only @15-20 minutes away from Blue Chip. You probably already knew that if Blue Chip is your regular casino. Lots of options for playing live craps as you head towards Chicagoland.
     
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    Welcome to the forum. The Colorado Belle in Laughlin Nevada had a tub craps table years ago. It didn't last long there.
    It probably got a lot of complaints, so was removed. Complaints such as what you experienced. Dealers also complaining about having to retrieve the dice way to often. Too crowded for most people to feel comfortable. Yes all tables get crowded certain times of the night but it just feels entirely different when the table is a small crowded tub.
     
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  4. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 3, 2018

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    Bonanza in Fallon, NV, had a tub the last time I was in that...well, for lack of a better word, town. Talk about a sweat shop! $50 table limits both BJ and craps IIRC.

    The only thing I remember about Bonanza, other than playing there, was a row at the BJ table next to me. I later learned that a player had bet $100 some number of times and lost, but when he won the dealer wouldn't pay him because he was over the limit. Copious organic waste found its way into an air circulation device that appeared out of nowhere, which attracted the attention of a pit denizen. As the HVAC output accumulated and threatened to render the table itself unsalvageable the suit -- I use the term in its generic sense since they don much less formal attire in Fallon -- capitulated, and rather than refund all of the previous losses taken in error, paid the winner along with a warning that he would not do this again. That and some other incidents convinced me to scratch Bonanza from my list of Fallon venues.

    NB. I later learned that Bonanza had removed the tub. According to my source there just weren't enough craps players.
     
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  5. Bases loaded, Apr 3, 2018

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    My only time on a 'tub' must have been 1979 at Foxy's Firehouse Casino on Sahara Blvd.

    It was crazy, as you said, one dealer doing all the booking, paying, sticking.

    Table was full, and the dice were fairly hot so lots of payouts being made. The dealer was making mistakes, nobody cared.

    It was fun and intense.

    I never went back there. I probably should have.
     
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    casinos just trying to save money, and in tiny casinos where there are no craps players, Im surprised they don't look into bubble craps as an alternative.
     
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    In some of these Nevada small towns....it's still 1958. They would probably look at a bubble craps machine like it's a space ship.

    I'd love to know the profit breakdown between a full live table and a full bubble craps machine after 24 hours of intense play. 4 employees on a table vs. none on the bubble. Obviously other factors come into play...but it might be an interesting breakdown to see the true costs to operate. I'd say the answer is pretty clear when the bubble can go $1 min. and the table has to keep $10 to be profitable.

    Nevertheless....a bubble craps machine is a no brainer for the sweat joints using limited dealers and half a table. The only issue is getting the hardcore traditionalists to give it a try.
     
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    This is Barney,

    I use to have small tub in the shed where I sleep but it rusted out. Now days the LID uses outdoor hose for our monthly cleaning.

    Thank you very much
     
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    Many, many years ago I played at a tub table in AC.....haven't seen one in a while.

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    That was at resorts. You should have made your book, that you're going to comp me, where it would fold out to a small craps table.
     
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    Id also think or believe that the companies that supply the bubbles, wont install one or get involved in a casino that doesn't have enough draw to make it worth wild for them, not sure if they lease the machines(another deciding factor for casinos vs floor space vs slot machines or vp machines) or if they take a percentage as the lease payment.
    all these things would dictate whether or not bubble craps makes sense for small shitholes, or sweat joints as they are referred to here.
    Ive thought about union representation and whether or not they would protest bubbles, but whats the difference between a bubble and video poker or electronic blackjack, roulette, etc.....
    who knows. casinos work on their own rules, and when the govt has rules for them, they bend them until they just about break, and if they break them, that's why they lawyers on retainer.

    and no one knows how casinos operate, no matter what the braggarts here state. no one is in the back office of these mega billion dollar casinos.
     
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    take a small casino in a place like fallon, NO, I don't know much about fallon, I drove thru there, stopped, got a bite to eat, some gas, I believe its a base or military airfield, is it worth the trouble even if its a standard lease agreement with tech support for a company like aruze to install a bubble knowing when the lease is up, it might have to remove the machine?
     
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  13. basicstrategy777, Apr 3, 2018

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    You will go to your grave without reading my book....you would have liked it.

    BTL, God rest his soul ; I miss him...... lost a bet to me and he got the book and read it....he wrote me that he liked it, which made me feel good because I respected his knowledge of the game. He seemed like a real nice fellow.... unfortunqately I never met him.



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    Well, your book will not be the only one I die without reading. I can honestly say though, you are only the second author, who has refused to comp me a copy of their book, after I asked, you and Hillary. Strange bedfellows, I must say. So, you get to die, knowing you are part of the same group as her, RIP. Come on man, before it's too late, surly you don't want to die, in "bed" with Hillary? Save yourself, send me the damned book now! :D
     
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  15. Kilroy, Apr 3, 2018

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    I can't afford to play in New Buffalo. The minimum bet is $15.00. Blue Chip always has 1 or 2 $5.00 tables.
     
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    Ellis Island in Las Vegas had one of these tables just a few years back. I asked last summer when they took it out and the lady looked at me strange "that's been gone forever ago"....yikes, sorry lady. It's still great spot to get a cheap (decent) steak dinner and brew their own beer. It's more of a "local" establishment however, I make a point to get there every time I'm in town. They also offer low limits on their full size craps tables.
     
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    Blue Chip is good about always having at least 1 craps table at $5.

    Last time I stopped by Four Winds (New Buffalo, MI) in September 2017, both tables were $10 minimum. I don't get out that way too often, as there are several casinos much more conveniently located.
     
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    Visited Providenciales island in the Turks & Caicos a couple of years ago.

    The casino there had an 8 foot tub handled by one dealer.

    Played something like 6 or 7 nights in a row without a single winning session.
     
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  19. The Midnight Skulker, Apr 3, 2018

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    They just might be right, particularly if the dealer looks like one of these guys
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    and the game looks something like this.
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    Fallon boasts a naval sir station that is home to TOPGUN (since 1996). During the years I supported that site as part of my company's Base Operations and Support contract with the Navy NAS Fallon basically was the town, which generated some discontent with the locals who resented the effect military personnel, many of whom were temporary, had on elections. I believe the Blue Angels trained and practiced there, and maybe still do, but that came after my time.

    I also heard that some government entity built, or maybe it was an extensive remodel of, a prison there, which helped the economy. I searched the web, a search that was more than cursory but certainly less than exhaustive, but came up empty on that one.

    Fallon is definitely off the beaten path, but only an hour's drive from Reno. I haven't been to Reno in a decade or so either but I assume there are some bubble machines there. If that is true then installing/servicing/removing a machine or two in Fallon wouldn't be that big of a pain, particularly if other machines were installed along the I-80 corridor.
     
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  20. TheOtherBigRed, Apr 4, 2018

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    I've never been through Hartford where I've seen the table open. Must be I don't get there late enough in the day.
     
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