Secrets To Making Money At Craps

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Craps Poopshoot, Apr 1, 2016.

  1. Edward-ky, Jan 1, 2017

    Edward-ky

    Edward-ky Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2015
    Messages:
    1,095
    Likes Received:
    427
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Yep and a pro vs a amateur is a big difference. A pro mishit is way different then a amateur. And I also said missing a shot not mishitting it. But then again golf is not craps.
     
    #81
  2. James Hall, Jan 1, 2017

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,967
    Likes Received:
    770
    Gender:
    Male
     
    #82
  3. Edward-ky, Jan 1, 2017

    Edward-ky

    Edward-ky Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2015
    Messages:
    1,095
    Likes Received:
    427
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Let's just cut to the chase here James. You run your mouth how great you are so there is no way in hell you would show up and DO. Then everyone would realize how full of shit you are.
     
    #83
  4. James Hall, Jan 1, 2017

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,967
    Likes Received:
    770
    Gender:
    Male
    You know what Edward I have tried my damnedest to deal with you in a polite manner
    you are having none of that
    so let me be brutally honest with you
    the reason you have trouble with all this is because you are a no talent hack
    you can't win at the game and you are not going to spend any time learning
    you are very frustrated because you know there are people winning and you
    can't seem to figure out how they can and you can't
    here's the answer
    they know how and you don't have a clue and you never will

    here is a fact or two you need to wrap your pointed little head around

    When you get on a table and the stick shoves the dice to you you at that point have a two to one advantage over the house
    in the form of the comeout roll
    8 wqys to win 4 ways to lose

    when nyou establish the point that advantage is gone
    however there are other advantages ,
    there are 11 numbers that can appear on a pair of dice in 36 combination
    2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-and 12
    of the 36 combinations the house keeps 6 and they give you 30
    of the 11 numbers they give you 10 they keep one and they beat Edward Ky to death
    they give you 30 of the 36 combinations
    they give you 10 of the 11 numbers
    you lose your ass
    and you , a know nothing talent less hack want to criticize anyone who talks about winning
    AMAZING

    oh and HAVE A NICE DAY
    and one other thing
    do yourself a favor "LEARN TO WIN OR QUIT"
     
    #84
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2017
  5. James Hall, Jan 1, 2017

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,967
    Likes Received:
    770
    Gender:
    Male
    this from a no talent hack ,
    give me a call I could probably teach even you to win a couple of times
     
    #85
  6. random_roller, Jan 1, 2017

    random_roller

    random_roller Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2015
    Messages:
    1,428
    Likes Received:
    937
    Happy New Year!

    It's a new year. Wipe the slate clean. And may your sessions at the craps (and baccarat) tables be enjoyable and overall profitable.
     
    #86
  7. betwthelines, Jan 1, 2017

    betwthelines

    betwthelines Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2012
    Messages:
    1,486
    Likes Received:
    727
    three controlled tossers so far have agreed to take the butt hump challenge..."piece of cake", demango says just wants me to make sure i bring the money...lol...pressit and i are in PM negotiations on the logistics of meeting for sessions next month or in march that potentially could involve thousands of dollars in action...as for the third, i have an unqualified "yes" but off the top cannot recall if this was stated publicly or if it was in a PM to me and so before i bandy about the name i would want to make sure it is copacetic to do so.

    four rr's have agreed to take it including one that has already taken it once.

    i believe five controlled tossers, yourself included. have declined to take it.

    rick, who is in a category by himself, in his last iteration at least, says he will take it.

    it is unclear to me why the heightened interest in the butt hump challenge all of a sudden after a couple of months or so of nothing more than, as you say, "interest" expressed. but that too seems to be increasing on virtually a daily basis.

    perhaps the addition of a couple of new bets --with more coming possibly as soon as today (thanks to pressit)-- have played into it.

    perhaps some have taken a closer look and see what good bets they actually are

    or maybe controlled tossers such as demango who have actual confidence in their skills can see that they would be at an advantage on the bets and like money alot.

    not sure why it is happening now but it is happening

    tom p
     
    #87
    Twelve4s likes this.
  8. $nakeEye$, Jan 1, 2017

    $nakeEye$

    $nakeEye$ Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    3,034
    Likes Received:
    453
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    07031 > 07017 > 07034 > 89122
    betwthelines / tom p - whomever -

    As I will NOT be party to this " Challenge " - I have recorded individual shooter outcomes at numerous Private Table Events in AC, NJ -

    As a " Non-Partisan " bystander - I would most graciously donate my time to " Unbiasedly Record the Outcome " of the events of this challenge -

    As I reside in the Las Vegas area - there is NO problem on MY part to be at each designated place at the designated time !

    Furthermore, I have NO interest in the final outcome of events and as such would / could / should be adjudged as an " Unbiased Judge " !

    Just presenting this in the event you are looking for an " Unbiased Report of the Outcome " of this event !

    $...eE..$
     
    #88
  9. twodicebilly, Jan 2, 2017

    twodicebilly

    twodicebilly Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2016
    Messages:
    669
    Likes Received:
    355
    Gender:
    Male
     
    #89
  10. Edward-ky, Jan 2, 2017

    Edward-ky

    Edward-ky Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2015
    Messages:
    1,095
    Likes Received:
    427
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Here u go again. I haven't critized anyone. You can't win if you don't go to the casino and do. Saying you are full of shit is not criticism. Let's see I went and won the past 3 days and what have you done. Talk talk talk. LTWOQ. Is that what you did QUIT since you couldn't win!
     
    #90
  11. James Hall, Jan 2, 2017

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,967
    Likes Received:
    770
    Gender:
    Male
    prove it show us the $25
    talk about full of shit
    right up to your eyebrows
     
    #91
  12. James Hall, Jan 2, 2017

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,967
    Likes Received:
    770
    Gender:
    Male
    did you say it doesn't matter ? did you say it meant nothing ?
     
    #92
  13. superrick, Jan 2, 2017

    superrick

    superrick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,193
    Likes Received:
    757
    Let's make this clear I wouldn't take the challenge from you if you were paying me a million to do so because I wouldn't trust you to pay off on the bet let alone the million!

    I think that anybody that take it is a fool and I said that before in a nice way. The other day when I said I would take it I said if the two of you got off the board if I won Little TDVegas said no way he was here just for the fun of it.

    Well, if the two of you think it's fun to try to get anybody to take your challenge when nobody in their right mind should take it, so be it but I don't want anything to do with the two of you jerks!

    Any so-called DI that takes you stupid challenge better like getting hassled at the tables because that is what they are going to get when they are at the tables. Once again one of these stupid challenges will start everybody that sets the dice getting hassled if a so-called DI beats the challenge!

    You jerks play craps for the fun of it the so-called DI's don't and you can never get it because you can't figure out how to win!
     
    #93
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2017
    James Hall likes this.
  14. James Hall, Jan 2, 2017

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    3,967
    Likes Received:
    770
    Gender:
    Male
    LTWOQ you can't afford to continue losing money
     
    #94
  15. Edward-ky, Jan 2, 2017

    Edward-ky

    Edward-ky Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2015
    Messages:
    1,095
    Likes Received:
    427
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Full of assumptions and bullshit and no real play.
     
    #95
  16. betwthelines, Jan 2, 2017

    betwthelines

    betwthelines Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2012
    Messages:
    1,486
    Likes Received:
    727
    Correct

    it is simply good bets...it is gambling, a concept that you seem to have a bit of difficulty recognizing when you see it...

    the challenge was put forth by a serious gambler who goes to real casinos to mostly play craps and who also reads public craps forums.

    the motive behind putting out the serious challenge and putting forth serious money (serious to some anyway and probably most here...few patricians on here) was the experience of YEARS of Talk and the resulting desire to witness DO, especially by those claiming remarkable skills at dice and these actually would be at an advantage on the bets if these claims are true...some smart ones, actually confident in the truth of their skills, recognize an advantage bet when they see it and will be taking the challenge.

    but of course anyone can participate in the fun & many who claim no skills at all either already have or plan to take up the challenge... these recognize a fun bet at a fun game when they see it, risking relatively little to win good sums.

    so, yes, there is no meaning...there are no theories...there is no past performance...there is no talk...there is only
    DO. it's called gambling.

    in craps there is always only one roll that matters: the next one.

    all the rest is past. all the rest is history.


    Do
    is present tense.

    tom p
     
    #96
    Edward-ky, Druck and Twelve4s like this.
  17. gargoil, Jan 2, 2017

    gargoil

    gargoil Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    177
    Hey Tom P, hope you had a good holiday and Santa got you what you asked for ;)

    Got a hypothetical question for you just to get a "REAL" conversation about craps on this forum instead of the "My dick is bigger than yours" BS. :( So you are saying basically in craps there are no "suggestive" moves based on past history. Notice I did not say factual (looking into the crystal ball) but suggestive. My definition (my own not from any book) of suggestive is this "Based on x, the probability of y happening is high". This doesn't mean Y will definitely happen but confidence is high. Is that not possible?
     
    #97
  18. Onautopilot, Jan 2, 2017

    Onautopilot

    Onautopilot Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    7,142
    Likes Received:
    3,378
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm sure Tom will answer in his own way, but thought I would chime in also.

    From a mental aspect, it makes sense to observe X, and conclude Y should happen.....our brains are wired that way, We tend to look for, and find patterns in random, even when none exists.

    It is also an intuitive thing, and seems right to our brains, that is a result of a lot of the time, "mathematical probability" seems counterintuitive to us.

    Acting on that is not a bad thing, nor a good thing necessarily......as long as you do not risk more than you would otherwise.

    Disclaimer: This is based on the random number generator (the dice in this case), are random for all practicable purposes. A bias in the dice, either inherent, or introduced, is a different thing, where observation might in fact have a valid "suggestion" of what could be expected. But then, we would not be talking about random any more.
     
    #98
  19. HornHiYo, Jan 2, 2017

    HornHiYo

    HornHiYo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    1,271
    Likes Received:
    494
    That's assuming that because Y comes after X, that X caused Y. Of course, sometimes one event does cause another one that comes later. But sometimes two events that seem related aren't really related as cause and event.
    If you say that X causes Y, you should have something more to say about how X caused Y than to just say there is X so Y confidence is high. Correlation isn't the same thing as causation.
     
    #99
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2017
    betwthelines and Onautopilot like this.
  20. gargoil, Jan 2, 2017

    gargoil

    gargoil Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2013
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    177

    Thanks guys. I am taking DI, Bias Dice, anything but the assumption that every throw is a random event out of the equation. The reason I asked that question is because In my line of business, I see companies spending millions of dollars trying to identify trends and patterns in random events. One of the big retailers in the US for example that I am currently consulting with has data scientists looking over millions and millions of transactions from customers shopping across all their retail chain stores and running them thru machine learning and Artificial Intelligence trying to spot one habit or trend that they can capitalize on. Let me give you an example.

    Let's say a woman in Chicago walks into a retail store and buys a specific purse then buys a specific pair of shoes. That is a randomly generated event. Now if another woman in New York goes into the same retail chain but in New York and buys the same purse then buys the same specific pair of shoes, although that is another randomly generated event, the AI will determine that this could be a beginning of a trend and suggests that combining the actual items as a special with a special price may generate more sales. Emphasis on MAY GENERATE. It is not a guarantee but a probability.

    As humans we tend to look at this and shrug. However more and more "humans" with that mentality are finding themselves on the unemployment line replaced by Artificial Intelligence. What the big wigs in companies have realized is that humans will not give suggestions if it doesn't make sense. However a machine will. Now what does that have to do with craps? Well I am just wondering if the same logic "CAN" be applied to random generated tosses to find certain trends that suggest doing something. Again it is still a gamble so there are no guarantees however the information is given to the player to make certain decisions. Just me thinking out loud :)

    .
     
    #100
    Twelve4s likes this.