saving yourself from PSO

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  1. 514natural, Mar 4, 2014

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    Sure you could always use the come bet to "protect" yourself against the seven But at a certain point of not hitting a seven you could find yourself down more than your "security".

    you could even go as far as putting a couple bucks on the any seven. Once again running up your bill though. For a simple 4:1 nonetheless.

    Don't is not an option.

    Anybody know of a way to "save yourself" in the event of a seven out?

    guess it might be a silly question seen as dats how da casino racks in most of their cash,im asking just for ideas...and for fun
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Mar 5, 2014

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    There are no options other than betting on the 7 or betting against the dice. Most people would know that, but I guess that's why the board is here.

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  3. 514natural, Mar 5, 2014

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    I do not have a problem with you, if you have a problem with my opinion and views on certain topics I cannot help that, this is simply a problem that you have to deal with on your own.

    Im Pretty sure "asking for ideas...and for fun" clarified What was up for debate here.
    Next time keep your sarcasm for yourself.
    And if you really do have a problem seeing my posts, simply avoid replying.
    Otherwise your input is always welcome

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  4. basicstrategy777, Mar 5, 2014

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    You asking the question..." Anybody know of a way to "save yourself" in the event of a seven out? " bordered on being ridiculous....and I agree with you, it WAS a silly question.

    I'm just a sarcastic kind of guy....sorry.

    You have a lot to learn, but we all started where you are at now. For some reason you rub me the wrong way ; I think you are right about me ignoring your posts. I am very confident others here can help you and will 'handle' you in a more comforting way. More gentile and with no jabs or cutting or sarcasim. I guess it's the way the world should be.

    Good Luck.



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  5. CrapsGenius, Mar 6, 2014

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    Become a DI' and practice dice sets to best work with your shooting abilities. Also remember that DI's know how to avoid rolling that "7" or close to it.
    I use 4/4 top & 2/2 facing me, shooting the dice from Position 8 (Left side of the stick man). Keep the dice together, pick them up and toss them to the back wall, you know it's perfect when you see many sixes and eights being rolled. But remember You only shoot to avoid the seven regardless of what number gets rolled.

    If you can't get on spot 8, Try spot 1 (Corner next to boxman) using the mini-v set (6/2 top & 2/4 facing you) keeping the dice together and shooting to the back wall. you should also get 6's & 8's to show you are doing well.

    (DO NOT use this dice set from spot 8 unless you are on comeout and shooting for 7's. (I rolled 5 x 7's in a row using the mini-v at spot 8)

    Give it a try, the results will astound you.
     
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  6. SevenOut, Mar 6, 2014

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    Play the Don't Pass. Then the PSO will be something to look forward to!

    Play to Win, not Play to Break Even.

    PSW... Point Seven Winner- it happens.
    PSO... Point Seven Out- it happens more often.

    You know what? Just pick what kind of System/Game you want to play and forget all of this "avoiding a PSO" thought. Once I started thinking about your original premise... I should have left this thing alone and saved myself some trouble!

    This woke me up out of a Craps Nightmare sleep and was like a bad vinyl record where it gets stuck in a groove and goes no where! No matter how hard you will try to insure for a loss... it is not going to be worth it.

    I should have laughed this one off and not even begun to think of the numerous bad options there were to chose from.
     
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  7. SevenOut, Mar 6, 2014

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    Play Black Jack. It will not keep you awake at night working out every combination to protect a bet at the Craps Table.

    Those of you who passed on making any comments on this Thread.... you were very wise. I have to stay away from the impossible myself.
     
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  8. superrick, Mar 7, 2014

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    If your the shooter and you have to shot the dice, it's very easy to avoided a PSO, do not take the so called free odds, on what ever point you establish. This is one of the biggest mistakes players will make. If you take the so-called free odds you just broke a Cardinal rule of Winners!
    That is Never increase your bet until you have one win! So if you're playing craps, that win would have to be one pass!

    If you're not the shooter, you should never have a pass line bet and never bet the second roll of dice. Always wait always wait until the third roll the dice before you place a bet.
     
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  9. SevenOut, Mar 7, 2014

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    Now we have the Third Roll Seven Out covered.

    Does any one want to go for the Twentieth Roll Seven Out and wished they had stuck playing Craps?

    Do I have a Don't Pass player wanting to jump in and tell us your SIDE of the game?
     
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  10. superrick, Mar 7, 2014

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    There is no Guarantees when we are playing craps, but by eliminate that one roll right after the point is established you get to see if the shooter can throw box numbers.

    This morning on the table I was on there were 13 different rolls, and there were 6 PSO's. I had agreed To meet with an out-of-town player that I have working with his wife to show her how to bet the game. Playing on a full table is not something that I wouldn't normally do.
     
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  11. SevenOut, Mar 7, 2014

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    This PSO avoidance will not work for me as I have more exposed on the table than just a flat bet and odds. I have the flat bet, odds and three Place Bets and the Hard Six and Eight covered for $5 each- minimum.

    (The Ameristar Casino is a 5X Craps Game)
    My standard "set up for 5,6,89" is, lets say for a Point 5: $5 Pass Line Bet, $30 odds, $10 Place on the 9, $12 Place on the 8, $12 Place on the 6, $5 Hard Six, $5 Hard Eight for a total of $79.00 risked out of a $200/$300 bankroll. Sure, it is an aggressive game with the $200/$300 bankroll... but I am not there to grow a beard... I am there to hit a streak and leave after it is over. If I hit a Place Bet a few times, I check my Bankroll count and might start pressing up bets and the Hardways.

    It is not a boring System. It is not dull and you have to be ready to press up bets or change the game plan to meet the mood of the table. You win when the dice are running up my chip counts... and you can lose it just as fast. This is why I always have a full tank of gasoline in my truck... so I can get myself home, win or lose. The first PSO brings an audible moan from the players... two in a row we begin to look at one another and have to read lips this time... three PSO's, I am beaten and the table empties out. Maybe discouraged... but never lose faith that next time will be better.

    Who ever was playing the Don't Pass was smoking the table that time!
     
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  12. CrapsGenius, Mar 7, 2014

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    I posted this in another forum:

    Random Shooter Law of Average:
    11:14 will PSO
    2:14 will make a point or two
    1:14 will get lucky and make back most of your losses from the previous shooters.

    A table full of DI's:

    6:14 will make 1 point or 4 numbers.
    4:14 will make 2 points and repeating numbers.
    2:14 will roll 3 points or more and repeating numbers.
    2:14 will PSO because it happens.

    If there was a full table of DI's, the casino will experience a losing day 100% of the time.
    Problem is each day there are 80% random shooters making the casino money 80% of the time.
     
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  13. SevenOut, Mar 7, 2014

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    CrapsGenius does have some impressive statistics.

    What System(s) are being used for your statistics? It seems obvious the DI's play the Pass Line. Other than that I remember a quote that "Statistics do not lie, only those who make them."

    Would this apply to Bubble Craps? This I would consider a pure Mathematical Craps Game. Would Bubble Craps be among your first Random Shooter Law Averages? How could that be if there is no shooter?

    Again, what would validate the DI Law of Averages is our knowing the System applied to the dice outcomes. OR, when a group of DI's are playing they all bet the same, as each shooter is setting up for the identical System of Play? Why not just have ONE DI SHOOTER pooling everyone's bankroll in larger bets and make your goal... and split it up afterwards.

    How does that work? Makes sense to me.
    Why are there NO Don't Pass DI's?
    Make one Point or 4 numbers.... hmm. Maximum Odds? What Bankroll? Favoring inside or outside numbers?

    I cannot dispute your numbers. I would like to understand HOW you achieve those numbers and do not need to understand the Dice Control aspect... it is the System applied to the effort that I would like to understand.
     
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  14. CrapsGenius, Mar 7, 2014

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    First off, there is no such thing as dice control. Not even a robot can do it.

    How I got my stats: 15 years experience playing live craps tables and photographic memory.

    I make most of my money from following primary numbers that DI's & regulars roll and also by following trends from shooters I do not know of.

    This is truly the ultimate best way to make money at the game.

    I also create systems that cater more to the small bank roll players who have no direction.

    many of my "systems" keep them in the game.
     
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  15. SevenOut, Mar 8, 2014

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    CrapsGenius. Photographic memory... for what? Maybe good for Poker and Black Jack... but dice? Come on. I think you must be pulling my beard.

    Your post said nothing. Obviously you are selling something on the side, as you avoid any legitimate answers to questions that deserved more than some wasted key strokes as a response.

    For a Genius, I for one, am disappointed in your lack of any knowledge.

    Why do you quote DI (Reply #12) but have a disclaimer (Reply #14) that there is no such thing... then (Reply #16) Dice Influencers CAN control the dice outcomes. One of us is living in the Pleistocene.

    added: Dice Influencer = Dice Controller= Random Shooter with a Great System

    By changing the words, the meanings are still the same. Unless you can come up with a definition for YOUR use of DI and DC that is that drastically different, otherwise it is the one and same.
     
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  16. CrapsGenius, Mar 8, 2014

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    I highly suggest re-reading those posts, as I had said, "Dice Controllers" don't exist. It's highly unlikely that even a robot can make certain numbers, But a "Dice Influencer" is a different story. If you can use a dice set and roll random numbers giving the shooter an advantage to "avoid the 7" then we have something here.

    What I mean by "photographic memory" in craps is more for the players and keeping a mental database of what they roll when they shoot the dice but has nothing to do with dice itself.

    I do not sell anything nor do I have anything to offer anyone to sell. I'm not a salesman.
     
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  17. SevenOut, Mar 9, 2014

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    I do give you credit for not offering Classes. That would make you a CrapsGenius in my opinion!

    Politicians corrupt the English Language all of the time to confuse the issue(s) and spread the blame when things go terrible wrong. This is why I have taken issue with your flexibility of terms and "facts". What is your definition of DI and DC or DS? Then we will have a beginning point. Without a separation of the three terms with a definition, someone reading the Post would not see any difference.

    I would find it very difficult offering any definitions that would provide a major separation of terminology and definitions for these concepts. I am just an average enthusiast of Craps, as if it were a technique for fly fishing or snow skiing. We all have a style that "works for us".

    Sometimes for the pure hell of it, I will "set the dice" with a Hard Eight or a Hard Six, UP, if I am shooting and either number is point. (Often the stickman will push the Hardway to me that is Point.) Had I Sevened Out... maybe had I not orientated/set/influenced the dice... the outcome would or could have been different. This is the GRAND PROBLEM with the entire thought process of being able to repeat the same conditions to achieve the SAME result(s)... there is no way to prove the second outcome would have been the same or different. It is impossible.

    This is the argument with DC or DI or the Pure Hell of It dice setting DS. You cannot prove that the outcome would a... could a.... or should have... been. That is the failure of the philosophy of Dice Setting, no matter how it is called or how the dice are held, or orientated.

    DC: Dice Control
    DI: Dice Influencing
    DS: Dice Setting
    RT: Random Toss
     
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  18. CrapsGenius, Mar 9, 2014

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    I may have interpreted some things but I've learned alot from others. Sorry for the "lingo"

    DC : Don't exists so why mention it.
    DI: Shooters that make it possible to avoid a "7" making repeating numbers / points.
    (It is fluke if they call 8 before the toss and make it.)
    DS: Something that is a must before one can do the other.
    RT: Should all be "Banned from craps tables"

    I agree 100% on this statement.
     
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  19. SevenOut, Mar 10, 2014

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    You can ban me and my RT. More than 80% of Craps players are RT shooters.

    The DC, DI and DS as well as any other modification of the terminology is for those who find comfort in believing they have some input in the outcome of their shooting.
     
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    there are too many things I don't understand about DI that would make even seem a tiny bit possible.
    I understand the shooting to get less sevens.
    How can anyone know different variables at a table as Ive mentioned somewhere before when I joined here.
    Maybe the rubber used on a table was made in south America instead of Malaysia, and in the manufacturing process different constituents were used as binders, making the rubber for the backing a bit less flexible, maybe a bit more, nothing noticeable, but if an expert used machines to test,, how bout tables being off 1 degree, 2 degrees, maybe the guy that redid the felt on any table pulled it a bit tighter than normal, maybe a bit more slack. I don't see how anyone can take the hundreds of little factors into consideration with each toss of the dice making a dice throw anything but random.

    I can say I figured out how to roll less sevens, what does this prove.
    Yeah, when I have a good run say, see, told ya so, and a bad run, well, I didn't toss them so well, Im having an off day.
    I just don't get it, or see how its really possible.

    but on that note, if someone wants to learn something they feel in their mind helps their game, who am I to say anything about how they spend their money. so go for it if you believe in it.

    I hope before I die, someone who is a DI/DS, whatever, shows me consistency while rolling dice.
     
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