# Sand Pit Dice Shooting... not for amateurs

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by SevenOut, Dec 8, 2017.

1. \$nakeEye\$, Dec 12, 2017

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A 14 Foot table with an EXTRA FOOT on either side - equates to a 16 FOOT table -

If necessary - you can use ALL of your fingers and MOST of your toes to verify MY addition !

14 + 1 + 1 =16

14 + 2 + 2 = 18 !

And - YOU - being a Craps Dealer - WHOM is supposed to be MATH LITERATE - can NOT even do SIMPLE ADDITION !

Obviously, we ALL need to " DOUBLE CHECK " the payouts we get from " EXPERIENCED CRAPS DEALERS " !

I know I will !

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2. \$nakeEye\$, Dec 12, 2017

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I MUST compliment you on your expertise that you have been able to consistently contain / maintain / constrain your outcome to ONLY 11 possible outcomes out of ONLY 11 possible outcomes !

IF THAT is NOT DICE CONTROL -

NOTHING IS !

You, Sir -

Are NOTHING short of AMAZING !

I will go to the table(s) with YOU - ANYTIME -

However, do NOT be concerned when I bet The " Don't " side when you shoot -

I have ALL the confidence in the world - that - you will perform EXACTLY as expected !

Granted it did take me a while to figure out the " 11 Possible Outcomes " -

Only because I mistakenly thought that You did have a " viable " theory to your dice tossing -

However, when realization finally sunk in -

It became quite apparent that YOU and OTHERS on this Forum are nothing short of " GAMBLERS " -

Gambling on the mistaken notion that you just might get " LUCKY " and have an actual chance of winning !

Well, let me clue you -

It ain't gonna happen, Dude(s) -

You need to bring your own " LUCK " to the table -

And THAT is " EXPERIENCE thru PRACTICE " !

Disciplined , Focused Practice with the Intent to Overcome the Casino's built in Edge / Advantage !

I will try, to the BEST of MY ABILITY to " snipe " numbers that I ELECT to snipe !

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3. SevenOut, Dec 13, 2017

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One of us has been drinking too much.

I do not drink when doing business.
I do not drink when playing at a Craps Table.
I will take the complimentary beer while playing Video Poker.

Everyone with the weak position tries to find a 'gotcha moment'.

I cannot follow some comments as they do not make much sense. I use logic when looking at a situation. I also take in consideration the other person's biases may be or are. Mathematics is not as flexible as some would argue.

Those who promote dice control understand dice outcomes are so variable, that no one can say DI works, or not. Since it cannot be proven, they make the assumption that it also can not be disproved.

Those individuals whose websites support the 'mathematics of gaming' will tear you a new one, as they have the facts. Anyone who disputes the mathematics are sure to lose, exactly because of the mathematics. These individuals can also add variances, as they do understand that dice outcomes are random and unpredictable.

If anyone on this Forum believes that a group of people can, at will, alter the Mathematics of Craps, need to read John Scarne. He works both sides of the Table. I, like him, prefer to be on the winning side of the table and that is the Casino.

Short term gains are just that... short term and fleeting. Eventually a loser will win, and a winner will lose. Recording previous outcomes is not like a weather forecasting, which has a rhythm and cycle.

There is no secret in maintaining a bankroll... DO NOT GAMBLE TO GET AHEAD.

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4. James Hall, Dec 13, 2017

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To some the point of playing , IS to get ahead
I would think that to anyone playing the game , playing to maintain bankroll / break even would be a gross waste of time

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now I don't feel cheated when I sold a bunch of handguns in Indiana and had to pay a licensed dealer a fee to make the deal with a resident of Indiana. even in the gaming business. fees, fees, fees,

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6. HornHiYo, Dec 13, 2017

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What is the max bet limit for hard ways on KS River Boats?

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7. \$nakeEye\$, Dec 13, 2017

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I believe that in ANY state where you can LEGALLY purchase a gun - be it a hand gun or a long gun - the deal has to go thru a Licensed Broker who possesses a Federal Firearms Permit.

I bought a gun on line last year and it had to be shipped to a person who was Federally Licensed !

There was a small charge for them being the middle man - around \$25 +/- - PLUS - a charge for me to undergo a background check another \$35 !

Even in NV where they are much more lenient then NJ and/or NY - one still has to pay a \$35 fee for the background check -

But you do NOT have to wait the 6 months like is practiced in NJ and NY - you can get the gun the same day - usually in a matter of minutes!

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8. rongarm10, Dec 13, 2017

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Since this thread seems to have bounced around from lengths of craps tables to selling guns in Indiana and alter the Mathematics, etc. , so I thought that I could actually ask a few questions that may r may not add to the game of craps. Anyway here are a few thoughts/questions that I would like to see just what ur ideas are.

Here goes. When tossing the dice does it really matter if they r "glued together", r close to that? When tossing the dice does it really matter how the dice should rotate? Such as one dice rotate with lots of revs and the other di not many revs. Do they have to rotate with the same amount of revs? When tossing the dice does it really matter if one di is leading the other di? When tossing the dice does it really matter if the dice r rotating like "helicopter blades"? In other words sideways instead end over end.

I have been trying to teach myself how to toss the "UH" toss this past month and many times I get the dice to look pretty ugly. One leading the other, different rotations, etc. But the past few days I have improved to make the dice look "pretty", but not so sure that by making them look pretty that I get better results. So my feeling is that for the most of the time that when I toss the dice that perhaps by making them look pretty or ugly that the results do not seem to change that much. I kind of agree with TT123 that random and "di" is not that much apart for better results. Or something like that. Maybe some but at the same time not so much. These are just my humble opinions and of course questions that may be answered in logical manners that mite just help me out a tad. Just sayin.

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9. \$nakeEye\$, Dec 13, 2017

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Which ever way that you toss - underhand, overhand, etc. - IF you use the Hard Way Dice Set when tossing -

You will get a whole lot of feedback when the dice land and rebound off the back wall -

IF you see 6's and/or 1's - ONE or BOTH dice flipped over - yawed - to one side or the other -

IF you 7-out - ONE or BOTH dice remained on-axis - BUT - one die exhibited two more 1/4 forward / backwards turns than the other -

IF you throw inside numbers - 5, 6 ,8 and/or 9 -- without a 6 or 1 - your dice are On-Axis - and one die is a 1/4 turn / rotation ahead or behind the other die !

Also, if you use two different colored dice - you can also see which die is doing what -

AND - if they are crossing mid-air and/or after landing !

Also - MOST importantly -

IF you are throwing Hard 4, Hard 6, Hard 8 and/or Hard 10 -

Your dice are ON-AXIS and IN SYNCH with each other -

The Hard Way set has the 1 and 6 on the ends and the 22,33, 44 and 55 on the faces .

Hope this helps - the bill is in the mail !

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10. lone irish digit, Dec 14, 2017

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Your one-dimensional visual understanding of 16/36 is a fantasy created by dice schools to sell their bullshit, which in fact has NOTHING to do with either on-axis shooting, primary face hits, or reality.

You can prove this to yourself simply by holding and rotating two dice. Once again I will try to show you a major problem with these topics as you define them.

Say your pre-set is 2V with 1:3 on top and 5:5 looking at you. You skillfully toss the dice, and they come to rest with the same 1:3 on top and 4:6 looking at you.

According to your thinking, you are on-axis and have a primary face hit.

In reality, you are off-axis and have a "primary face hit", which by definition, MUST be on-axis.

Thank you very much

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