Sand Pit Dice Shooting... not for amateurs

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  1. Mssthis1, Dec 11, 2017

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    They took those out a while back and have standard tables now. They still have slower than tortoise dealers who make walking the dog an art form though. :(
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, Dec 11, 2017

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    In THAT vein -

    I would have to venture an educated guess that the tables are 12 footer -

    Reasoning behind this statement is - ALL OTHER tables in CET houses - IN VEGAS -are 12 foot tables -

    AC has 14 footers in Harrah's, Bally's and Wild Wild West - in addition to 12 footers !


    Never had the DESIRE to play there !


    $...eE..$
     
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  3. random_roller, Dec 12, 2017

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    Not the way I play it.




    Or perhaps I'm sandbagging you, Top, so that if we ever play you'll let me break.

     
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  4. $nakeEye$, Dec 12, 2017

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    To take " 7-Out's " less than stellar table identification process to another level -

    IF - when you walk up ta a craps table -

    YOU - can NOT readily distinguish a 12 ft table from a 14 ft table -

    The ONLY thing / advice that I can give to you is simply :

    Go and play Bingo with the little grey haired old ladies -

    AND - do NOT forget to bring and ring your bell -

    When the " O-69 " ball is produced !

    $...eE..$
     
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  5. Pressit, Dec 12, 2017

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    My tested and somewhat true measuring method. I start at on end of the table, take 5 normal steps towards the opposite end and I should arrive perpendicular to the “O” in the word COME, in the COME BOX. If so I am playing on a 12 ft. table. This works equally well at most M properties, except the Monte Carlo, they appear to have a 14 ft. table, which I don’t recall them having before they started their massive make over.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Dec 12, 2017

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    14 ft tables are very easy to spot. They look like an Airplane Craft. I actually have a 16 ft "Stick" that I rigged up to retrieve the dice when I am shooting from straight out on my table.
     
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  7. Pressit, Dec 12, 2017

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    I have posted this question before but it has remained unanswered. The question has to do with your ability to win evey time. Have you ever said those words suggesting you win every time? I haven’t found them, but apparently others have, they just can’t seem to locate them to post.

    I think there are 2 members of this board who have actually met you. Rick, and I can’t recall the other individual who met up with you in Mesa for a lesson to correct his toss before heading off to LV.

    Rick thinks your method of teaching has many fine and interesting aspects to it, but many here think Rick is a total flat out liar, although those voicing this opinion have never met Rick, nor had the opportunity to personally express their displeasure with him...interesting.

    Rick, like you, likes to help people with their game, by making suggestion after watching you toss. Some he even gives suggestion to by PM, or on the phone. Rick and Harley, well shit happens, put on a FREE 3 day Craps seminar. What is not to like about that. Now some will argue as to the timing of this seminar, but no one before or since has ever done such a thing. And of course he received countless negative responses surrounding this FREE 3 day seminar. It did receive good reviews from those who attended it, but not from those who did not attend the event, and some of those naysayers were personally invited to attend. Some choose not to attend because of the other personalities who would be present. Guess they were rethinking things they might of posted.

    I have met Rick on several occasions, played Craps with him, and to the best of my knowledge Rick has never lied to me. Now there are some on this board who have told some real whoppers, and I use to dwell on it, but then I got thinking, it doesn’t affect my life, I know who they are and what they are, and pretty much reject everything they post. Life is simple.

    James, I told Linaway this, and I’ll tell you the same thing, it never hurts to throw out a few bones as to your methods of madness. Most will disregard it because it is coming from you, others will read it but won’t be able to duplicate it, now others might like it so much they’ll want to come to Mesa for a lesson. Just a thought. Keep up the positive posts.
     
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  8. James Hall, Dec 12, 2017

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    Pressit let me first say I appreciate your kind words and quickly answer the question in the beginning of your reply then later today I will deal with the remainder of what you had to say
    Please try to understand that when the NAYSAYERS ?DENIERS say that Superrick lied they are basically trying to turn something around to bring his credibility into question
    They will take two unrelated statements that deal with different situations and make it sound like he has lied . You seem to have a grasp on the situation in respect to Rick , he as you said has a genuine interest in helping people . Sometime ago amidst all the early attacks on me Superrick found it necessary to jump in his car and make the 6 hour drive here to Mesa to see exactly what I was up to . How many people do you know who would do that . Some on this board would not walk across the street to help another craps player , in fact they will tell you
    "IF YOU HAVE A WAY TO WIN , KEEP YOUR ,"F^*King" mouth shut"
    For some reason a lot of these naysayers don't want anybody else to know
    based on these facts , one must ask , "who has the greater credibility"

    You asked about the statement I may or may not have made , "I never lose"
    back over a year ago one of the deniers , I believe it was TDVegas because
    I was getting a lot of flack from him at that time , said
    You talk like you always win , like maybe you never lose
    My response to that was:
    I never lose , when I throw the dice and have a winning session ,"I have won money" , if I throw a point and seven out
    I walk , I will go to my room and throw dice on the bed to figure out what went wrong
    every time I do that I learn something therefore by learning that session was not a total loss,
    I win money or I learn that is never a loss , I win or I learn"
    TDVegas and others will try to spin anything said that is contrary to their message to maintain their position on this board
    I would love to talk with you , there just isn't enough time or space on this board to cover a lot
    If you would be interested in that PM me and I will give you my phone number
    and we can talk
    As far as Superrick is concerned he is Super in my books
    Anybody who wants to help people in this day and age are "GOLD" there are so few any more
     
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  9. TDVegas, Dec 12, 2017

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    You "spun" your "always win" to mean even if you lose...you learned something about your loss---so you called that "I always win" or "I never lose".

    Congratulations...you are the only person I have ever heard in the history of gambling to announce a loss is a win.

    Glad you clarified it....months later. Now we at least know the bullshit we are dealing with.
     
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  10. James Hall, Dec 12, 2017

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    Nope TDVegas evidently you don't have a clue what bullshit we are dealing with
    The reality is , "YOU" are the bullshit we are all dealing with
    You are trying so hard to remain relevant and protect your brand that you even try to spin this situation to suit your needs
    I still have not figured out , "WHY" you and the others on this board want everyone to believe
    that winning at craps is beyond any human endeavor , tragically you have some believing that.
    One thing I learned from mentors playing golf was , if I didn't win , at least learn something
    that way it is not a total loss
    I know much of this is beyond your grasp I can hope , however , that some on this forum can benefit by what some with more experience have to offer and can see thru the bullshit and understand that some are truly trying to help while you and others are
    desperately , jealously and selfishly trying to block or minimize those who truly want to help
    while you and others on this board constantly spew your negative messages
    there are some who try to show a positive light on the subject.
    Hopefully those seeking help will be able to see who is and who is not trying to help
    One side saying
    "By learning and practicing you can win"

    The other side saying
    "It's a negative expectation game ,
    if people could win the casinos would burn their craps tables"

    When I play I win or I learn
    after a 7out win or lose I walk , when I lose I learn something about why
    so I don't make the same mistake over and over again
    You message is weak TDV give it up and try to help

    You were one who said
    "If a person has a way to win , they should keep it to themselves
    and just go do"
    pretty selfish for my way of thinking
     
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  11. SevenOut, Dec 12, 2017

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    The only way I will figure out who the DI's are at this Casino is to toss this out. You were there.

    I have only seen two lengths of tables at a major Casino. Twelve foot and Fourteen foot. You will find an 8 foot table at the Davenport, Iowa Riverboat. I have never seen a ten foot table at a land based casino. It would be a collector's item.

    I love it when the genius's find something to criticize someone. I have owned a 12 foot and a 14 foot table, at the same time. I was not even aware a 16 foot table existed, or why. The stickman's stick would have to be five feet long to retrieve the dice... on the hypothetical 16 footer.

    SnakeEyes and SuperRick both played at this table. The only table at this Casino. Of course it is a 12 foot. A DI would love to play a 10 foot or 8 foot tub as you could shoot the dice to hit the wall next to the stickman less than four feet. A 16 foot table would make all DI's incapable keeping the dice on the table...
     
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  12. SevenOut, Dec 12, 2017

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    Just to add: A Dice Chucker's random tosses on ANY length table is of no consequence. It does not matter. They are random outcomes.

    Now the DI's are going to say how much more difficult it is to shoot on a 14 footer, which is favored on the Strip. Go to Davenport, IA where the stick also Takes, Pays and Places wagers. That is why the short tubs are economical in the small markets. Only one dealer is needed.
     
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  13. SevenOut, Dec 12, 2017

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    The Zip Code holds the answer. We sold the home in Colorado and live full time, now, in Boulder City. Maintaining two homes makes one tired.
     
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    I started playing dice when places like silver city in vegas and slotrfun had 25 cent tables.(although I did play in a place recently where the largest amount of chips, not dollar value, quantity of chips were 25cent chips, jokers wild)
    and to add, Im a woodworker, not professional, although my work mirrors any pro work, I build furniture, anything, Ive done a kitchen, and Im very aware of measurements, whenever I look over a piece of furniture, I take notice of the size.

    I don't think Ive ever taken notice of a size table Ive played on in any casino. I recognize some are shorter than others, but its irrelevant to me.so I pay no attention to it. Yet I do notice the craftsmanship on some tables, the walnut chip rack, the beautifully curved rails, the amazing finish to withstand years of abuse, but never cared nor considered size of table of any importance.
    and I always figured sticks are the same size at any table, whether as stated, 12 foot or 14 foot.
     
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  15. SevenOut, Dec 12, 2017

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    You can count the chip rack separations, as well. It has been twenty years since I worked these tables at the shop. There is no way that many players can fit the number of chip rack separations that are available. Getting 12 players on a table is already a bit tight. Five on each end is comfortable.

    The players on each side of the Stickman need to be watchful, as the end of the stick could be a lethal weapon if it pokes you in the eye. A short dealer using a 48" stick on the 14 foot table, and a 42" on a 12 foot table.
     
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  16. Mssthis1, Dec 12, 2017

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    The riverboats in the Quad Cities are all gone. They are all land based now and no tub unless things have changed in the last few months. .

    The joint in Altoona Iowa is considering putting in a tub, but will be 2 dealers. The shift manager told me a casino he worked at years ago lost a significant amount of money from player dealer collusion on a single dealer tub game.

    There's a few games out there that are slightly shorter than 12'. The Isle of Debis in Waterloo and one table at Ceasars LV.
     
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  17. SevenOut, Dec 12, 2017

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    Liman... the most expensive parts on the Craps Table, other than the base... are the walnut chip racks. I wanted to have a Billiard Table builder to put some Craps Table 8 foot tubs together but the chip racks were going to be very expensive. We scrubbed the idea.

    If you ever lean into a table while playing and the table moves, the supporting base needs to be tightened up. It takes six people to just move the top of a 14 foot Craps Table.

    Dealing Craps was more entertaining than actually playing. Since we were training dealers and players at the same time, we would rotate dealers and have them also play. This way you experienced playing and dealing. Two totally different aspects that only a Player/Dealer would understand. Much like a Race Car mechanic, not being an experienced driver...

    I would suggest these DI's try dealing at a table, while others are practicing.

    I have noticed that Dice Controllers and Setters could also use some lessons in how to wager. Much like a weight lifter trying to figure out how to move furniture.

    If you are tossing 6's and 8's, while betting on 5's and 9's... get with it. They like playing ALL the numbers. Why? I though the idea was is to concentrate on a tight grouping AND avoid a Seven Out.
     
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  18. SevenOut, Dec 12, 2017

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    Great information! Where else can we get these updates! When Davenport, Iowa had the Riverboat, we stopped and checked it out. Right off of main street. Geez. Already talking history here with the Riverboats in Illinois, Missouri and Iowa for the Midwest. The cruises in Missouri were tough if you had to stay on board after finished playing.

    Now, on the longer tables, they use to put in a board to shorten it on the table top with a short Craps dealer staff. I cannot remember if they had rubber diamonds on the board or not as it has been too many years ago. I would expect they did. Not to protect themselves from DI's, but damaging the dice hitting plywood...

    Craps Dealers get cross trained on BJ or Roulette, as Craps Dealers are the hardest to train and keep. We trained our Craps Dealers to be proficient on Roulette first, then Blackjack. Craps Dealers already have a mathematical mind and the Roulette is an easy transition.
     
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  19. James Hall, Dec 12, 2017

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    I have known people with that talent / skill and always had a great admiration for them
     
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  20. TDVegas, Dec 12, 2017

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    Everyone here is more than capable of making their own decisions, own judgments and having their own ideas on AP craps. Suggesting otherwise is insulting.

    If someone wants to meet with you...go.
    If someone wants to talk with you...talk.
    If someone believes your every word...believe.

    Even if I was on the fence and listened to both sides...your condescending demeanor that others are incapable of making their own decisions and thoughts on the matter is insulting at best...
     
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