Red Flag on pit boss terminal?

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  1. bade

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    I joined this forum today to try and get an answer to a very specific question I have, from an experience I just had this weekend in Vegas (10/14/17).

    Here is the question: what does it mean if your player's position on the pit boss computer terminal is flagged red? In my specific situation all other players at the table (who had player cards and being tracked) were colored green. My dot (with my name clearly visible) was colored red.
    Why was I being flagged red by the pit boss? What are they tracking on that system which would color-code players differently? The question is bothering me because no other player was flagged red.

    If you know the answer to what the player colors mean (without context) there is no need to read any further.

    If the situation requires context then here is the backstory:

    This last weekend my wife and I took a quick 2 day trip to Fremont to play craps. I had a great run of luck and overall we had a great time. My wife and I are courteous players, we tip the staff, we drink and laugh and talk with the dealers. We don't try to control the dice or do anything unusual, we just stick with our simple bets, throw and have a good time drinking $1 beer. We are, however, good at bank roll management and bet management, so I will say we play to win, not to just throw money around on "bad bets". We also have a friendly competition on who wins more since we both have very different playing styles.

    I have never had a player's card before, but this weekend I decided to get a card at each casino (or casino group) when I bought in. So this was the first time I have played craps being tracked with a card.
    We are both conservative low-rollers, and between the 2 of us maybe have $100 on the board at risk before the point resolves.

    I played at the following casinos throughout the weekend:
    Palace Station 5 hours (Buy in $500, lost $100, left with $400)
    Four Queens 3 hours (Buy in $400, won $101, left with $501)
    Fremont 1 hour (Buy in $500, won $1 haha, left with $501)
    Paris 2 hours (Buy in $500, won $100, left with $600)
    California 3 hours (Buy in $600, won $400, left with $1000)
    Main Street 1 hour (Buy in $500, won $25, left with $525)​

    During California the bosses (there were 3 at one point) were actively watching me. I often saw them shaking their heads when talking about me. It was obvious they were laser-focused on what I was betting. I just took it to mean they were curious how lucky I was getting since I had a great run.

    When we left we headed to Main Street briefly, and this is where my wife noticed something. We were positioned to the left of the stickman in a way that the bosses computer screen was visible. We could see all the players who were being tracked. Unfortunately only one name was RED, mine. This has worried me ever since seeing it because I was obviously being flagged for some reason. But why?

    After we left I looked at the back of my player's card from California and it turns out the Fremont, California, and Main Street Station are all owned by Boyd Gaming. I did not know this at the time. So California and Main Street share the same tracking system and something I did at California made them flag me red before we even got to Main Street.

    Was it purely from my lucky streak and costing the casino money? Was it something else?

    Thanks all.

    Here is a nice photo I snapped just before walking into the California for the 1st time:
    California_Casino.jpg
     
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  2. DeMango, Oct 16, 2017

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    I don't know maybe TDV or SR will chime in. The best place for this answer would be the Wizard of Vegas forum, which you should also join. Maybe red meant you were the only winner at the table? Were you setting dice and using a controlled throw?
     
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  3. TDVegas, Oct 16, 2017

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    If it was me and I was curious....and I was actually able to see the terminal clearly enough to see I was the only red player...and I'm not the conspiratorial type...so...

    I'd ask them. No harm.

    I don't know what answer you will get...if any, but before I let my mind wonder about other potential things---next time you go and catch a glimpse, ask. See what they say.

    Could be a very innocent reason for it. New player?

    One question though....I know Boyd gaming has one card. You said you went to 3 of their properties. Weren't you issued one card that applies to all 3? (B-Connected)

    I have one (generic Boyd "B-Connected") card (ruby, sapphire or emerald?) that can be used at all of their properties as far as I know. If you were at the California and used a Boyd card....did you not present the same card at MSS?

    Or does each downtown property issue a separate card?
     
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    I'll take a guess at this one. The red and green show the average bet size: red for a $5 chip bettor, green for a $25 chip bettor.
     
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    maybe not playing a certain amount of time keeps your dot red, once you logged in enough time the computer changes it to green to show you've clocked in a certain amount of time.
    Im just guessing.
    From how its been explained to me over the years when I questioned casino staff, the casino wants a true rating of the player and the best time to do that is while the player is playing on his money. Once a player is up a bunch, they no longer get an accurate way the player bets. And I guess if the player loses quickly and quits, they know he isn't a gambler willing to risk much.
    so when someone like me loses three pso in a row, and drops 350 bucks and walks at a 5 or 10 dollar table, their assessment of me is someone who is risk aversive(right word?) Not exactly a way to get a lot of comps, which might explain why station casinos aren't/haven't given me shit.(or gave me shit when I wanted or requested it)
    when I read my win and loss statement it shows positive, but I don't clock in a lot of time at the tables.

    they want people who play, win or lose, especially losers who continue to play on their money(yes, once I have it in my rack its all my money, but its bankroll plus winnings to them)
     
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  6. von duck, Oct 16, 2017

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    I will also take a guess. I'm guessing this guy wants to here from someone that KNOWS. What good does your "GUESS" do him. If you don't know, don't guess Ma'am. I don't know, but he I'm guessing it's something really sleazy. :):cool: Just sayin, Ma'am.:D Come to think of it, lets everyone take a "STAB" at it, let your imagination run wild, don't cut them any slack.
     
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    maybe the guy who fixes equipment ran out of green bulbs?
     
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    @DeMango I was not setting dice or trying any controlled throw.

    @TDVegas I think it could be a very innocent reason, just would like to know what. Also very perceptive on the gaming card. At the time I didn't know they were all Boyd so when I went to MSS they printed a new one since I said I don't have a card from them. So I now have 2 Bconnected cards with identical player #.

    @FredP I dont think your guess is correct since my average bet size was $50-$60. Also others at the table were betting much less and they had green dots.

    @Liman Your guess that I just got to table is interesting since we were the newest players to join table at MSS and since it was 4am noone else joined after us. Can anyone confirm this guess?

    Anyone work at tables before who knows for sure?

    Thanks again.
     
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  9. TDVegas, Oct 16, 2017

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    Maybe you were marked red because you were playing more than the others?
     
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  10. von duck, Oct 16, 2017

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    Speaking of players cards, I suggested the "CHUMPS" card idea to my casino, and I guess they liked it. My new "CHUMPS" card came in the mail today. It's the same as the NOIR card, but with Homer Simpson's portrait ghosted on the front. I bet the ladies will be very impressed, when I flash this baby.:).
     
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  11. Mssthis1, Oct 16, 2017

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    All I can do is guess but which ever player is brought up on the screen so the pit can enter information most likely shows up as a different color.

    Or it could be because your play at the different properties triggered the threshold amount where they had to watch in case they needed your SS# to file the required gubbermint paperwork if you went over 10K in a 24 hour period. When you bought in at Main Street that put you at $2001 which may have been a high enough amount.
     
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  12. lone irish digit, Oct 16, 2017

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    According to Barney's suppercomputer, you got a your name in red either because you have a lower level card since you just got it compared to the other ploppies or security saw you take pictures outside of the casino and thought you might be related to Full Press so they put out a warning to all of Boyd's casino to keep their eye on you.
     
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    Thank you TD. :cool:.
     
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  14. von duck, Oct 17, 2017

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    I once saw my name on the screen, and it had a middle finger next to it. I think that means "good luck" in casino lingo, :)
     
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    bade,

    Welcome to the board.

    Looks like you were drawing the most interest when you were able to collect some of their chips.

    Never having had a card, I have no idea how they track things, but obviously they want to know what you buy-in for, what kind of wagers you make, and how long you play for.

    Depending on how these things track, they will offer you some gratis - anything from a few bucks and a cheap bottle of booze up to the red carpet treatment.

    You mentioned that you and the boss play very different games. How so? Did she do any good?
     
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  16. wonko33, Oct 19, 2017

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    flagged for looking at the monitor ;)
     
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    I tried contacting an old acquaintance of mine and my bil who was a dealer then pit boss for over 30 years in both AC and vegas, the contact info didn't work, I was curious as to what the red and green might have meant, not that they used the same system way back when and even as current as he worked, but he hasn't been working for years, so it might be a moot point even if I find correct contact info.

    all those gamblers out there in vegas here, no one can ask a pit boss at that casino? worst he will do is say, sorry, cant discuss that, Id ask him in a heartbeat, its not like hes giving out casino secrets, if he cant tell you, he wont.
    not all pit bosses are shitty, I find most of them decent and easy to talk too.

    Tell him you write for a gambling blog and someone asked the question.

    I never played in Maryland live and I asked the pit boss if I could take pictures of the hybrid, explaining I want to write about it on an online gambling forum and he said, ok, Im going to turn my head for a minute, do what you have to do.
     
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    Take a picture of the "HYBRID", what? Blackjack dealer, maybe?:D
     
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    they have a hybrid craps game, a short little table with a plastic piece on top to toss the dice. Real casino dice, but all betting is done on same terminals as bubble craps. people take turn shooting if you want to. you must leave your terminal, to roll.
    I posted it somewhere, first rule says no dice setting allowed.
     
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    That no dice setting rule, seems to be in conflict with the DI doesn't work theory. Don't you think?:).
     
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