RDI: The ridiculous art of "Reverse Dice Influence"

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  1. driglaz, May 24, 2015

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    6 and 8's are also outcomes of the 2v depends which version of the 2V - and 6 & 8's are either primary,secondary, and can be from other variations after the toss. Sometimes i nail the 6 and 8 with the 2v and am happy with that, Shit, I can try for 10 and 4 but will take the 6 and 8 and 9's all day....3v can scare me i see too many people 7 out with the 3v or toss 2,3, and 11's - if they use the 3v and are not getting numbers they will 7 out very soon, consider those non-number rolls with the 3v set a warning sign the 7 is near.
     
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  2. Onautopilot, May 24, 2015

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    Couldn't agree more, I have enjoyed a fantastically great life so far, and see no reason not to continue that. Some say I have been lucky in life, and they are right, I made some of that luck, but other times, it was just the luck of the "draw"! Craps happens not to be one of those lucky draws, but hope lives eternal! :)
     
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  3. driglaz, May 24, 2015

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    Gamblers stories are always suspect, you hear about the wins but not the losses.

    Casinos are aware of DI - this is evident by them switching to use new non-felt surfaces.

    Also evident, as some would argue by Casinos in certain states using "legally" weighted & unbalanced dice.
     
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  4. Dave G Ct, May 24, 2015

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    Have a feeling you will hit a mega hand this month
     
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  5. DeMango, May 25, 2015

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    Yup, a double pitch V3 is a 3 or 11. Could have just as well been a 3/4 seven. But the sevens on a V3 are the exact same positions as on the V2. For me the All 7's bring home the bacon, if not 6's kiss will do it!
     
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  6. Pressit, May 25, 2015

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    Reminds me of my last trip to LV. Was over at the old Bills, forget what it has been renamed, but 2 guys, gambling buds of some type, were at table end, the first guy shot a PARR type of toss and rolled for well over 30 minutes. Now the other guy was more interesting, he similar to what you wrote, when given the dice immediately picked them up, less than a second, an hurled them into the far corner with so much force they traveled completely around the backwall and landed in the come box. Not once did his tosses ever leave the table, which I expected given the toss, and he held the dice for 20 minutes plus until he finally 7 out. They held the dice just one time, colored up and left. From just watching the rocket and the control he exhibited over his toss Made me believe this wasn't his first rodeo using this particular method.
     
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    No! Really! Someone is actually doing just that. The same concept as your joke except they really are selling it. The idea is to set the dice with a number up that the shooter does not want and throw like a spastic! Now anyone can know how to set a certain number on top. But it's another thing to know how to throw 'em like a spastic! These guys milked a lot of money out of many suckers teaching them how to throw like a spastic! Really! The technique is still on the market today for those that find "on-axis precision shooting" is unprofitable. They just have to pay a little more and sign an agreement that says they won't sing when they discover there is no Vaseline.
     
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  8. driglaz, May 25, 2015

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    For the DI, If you know, in fact, you are double pitching one dice (or both dice) use this knowledge to your advantage - this is when knowing your sets and set transports is key and can buy you extra rolls and more time rolling. For the random roller, it does not matter.

    To purposely set a seven on one side or even two sides when your know your not on axis or double pitching - takes balls - but is a method. I have done this but do not like it. I get nervous my throw will be on axis and- poof your out. Better to correct elements of the throw or figure out why your getting the results your getting than to keep switching sets based on how your throwing and focused. Feeling you can have a lose or less than ideal throw because you are showing a 7 is false confidence.

    I see people who set the top of the dice and don't realize they have 7's set on the front and back but they do not use a controlled throw so the outcome is considered random. I have seen DI people do the same thing and then I raise a red flag as to why.

    Wong demonstrated in his book the double-pitch conundrum.
     
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  9. DeMango, May 25, 2015

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    I have the same toss at every table. I measure results and send them off to BoneTracker. If BT says use the all 7's set, then that's how I roll. The reason is simple. All tables are different. This is not what the gurus teach. But WTF do they know? They know "my way or the highway". Right now I'm wondering who driglaz really is on other boards?
     
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  10. driglaz, May 25, 2015

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    by the nature of physics the same toss on a different table yields different results often requiring you to adjust your toss to the table. If your using software to determine your sets, then follow those recommendations as they are based on analysis and indicate your tendencies.. I am self taught and playing since the early 1990's. I have only read what the gurus publish in books and often take it for what it is worth or intended to demonstrate. And only recently have I joined this forum and other craps forums.

    There is no my-way or the highway - even with DI the persons physical qualities help or hurt the efforts. People are different heights, wights, hand sizes, finger sizes, coordination so those elements must be considered on an individual basis until consistency and control is displayed. As for betting strategies, I am no expert, usually conservative yet aggressive at times, and still learning.
     
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  11. Pressit, May 26, 2015

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    How do you send your results to BT while at the tables, or do you have another person record your toss? Casinos don't care if you are using a note pad to record your throws, but anything electronic they frown upon. What is the sample, number of tosses, do you need to send to BT for it determine what set you should be using? Tables change that's a given, but you didn't mention table position, SO, SR1, etc.. A change of table position changes the energy used, and possibility the LZ.
     
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    no one on this board is a bigger non believer of all this dice influencing stuff than me.
    I did witness a DI tosser have a monster roll yesterday in Tropicana.
    I know he was a DI player because of the meticulous and robotic way he set up the dice each throw only changing the top set on his come out once.
    Will I say DI is possible because of his 35-45 minute roll?
    No way. He had previous rolls that amounted to nothing.

    but it was nice to think he had something to do with it.

    And heat? the pit boss was encouraging as well as the staff, A was making some small bets for them, and they seemed happy for him, probably because they knew him real well, and he hasn't had much luck lately, but zero heat, nothing, but he hit the back wall every shot.
    And his dice shot all over the place, but he did have an incredible roll, more sixes than Id think possible without a seven out.

    if he identifies himself here, he just has to mention the color shirt he was wearing, so I know it was him.

    lucky for the casino, I don't cheer or high five, the one guy betting big bucks at the end, didn't say much, he was too busy getting his money into his rack, the woman next to me, said she had enough of this, because she was only betting field, or hardways, and this guy hit only 6 or 8.
    The other player on other side, was small potatos, so the casino lucked out.
    A roll lilke that with just small time players like me would have cost the casino 30 or 40 grand without heavy pressing.
     
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    btw, if A steps forward here to say hi, his pit boss friend, he ws the guy asking me where gun lake casino is, the tee shirt I had on.
     
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  14. TDVegas, May 26, 2015

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    There are likely many, many random rollers that set the dice a certain way and have a consistent toss. How would anyone know their claim is DI or just the way they play? I think we are drawing assumptions that may be entirely false. I regularly see players with a consistent toss and mechanics. Might just be superstition or "just what they do"---having nothing to do with DI.

    I think people are putting too much stock in thinking they can identify a DI player.
     
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    Im pretty sure this was a practiced(well practiced) di tosser.
    His method of setting up the dice, was so identical each roll.
    his mannerisms, so robotic and identical, and then before he picked up dice each roll, he sort of stepped back, and lined up his feet as to balance his body weight to be in perfect position for his liking to toss.
    I mean identical movement every, single throw.
    No deviation.
    40 minutes straight. Machine precision set up.
    identical body movement, which was what really convinced me, the way he stepped back and sort of used a sweeping motion in his toss.
    he didn care about anything or any distractions.
    He didn't get over anxious or excited during his long roll, this was a practiced player.
    My guess would be his is one of the original DI tossers when the stuff became popular back 20 years ago.
    He looked around my age.

    but I cant credit his one long roll to influencing, only because it was the only roll he had with any consistency, and I had a great roll also that day, and witnessed another good roll earlier by someone else.

    but who cares, if the guy is just lucky and hits sixes, he had a wonderful money making long roll.
     
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  16. TDVegas, May 26, 2015

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    He may have identified himself as a DI..my feeling is he had a good random roll, much like you might have. I think it's a bit of a joke that these DI players think they can arrive at a table and identify a DI in a few minutes. They may identify someone trying to do DI....I doubt they are identifying someone who is accomplishing DI.

    2 totally different scenarios. Can and try. You'll go nuts trying to figure out which one is which.
     
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  17. driglaz, May 26, 2015

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    Why can't you consider him a DI?
    Why wont you think DI is possible?

    You might not have noticed adjustments he made to have that roll, was that one killer roll profitable ? You played 1 session with that man and he won that session even if previous rolls amounted to nothing.

    You saw DI at work, that's how it goes, maybe he had to warm up, or get into zone, or lose to win (putting more pressure on himself to preform) - just because every roll he had was not 40 minutes does not discredit what you witnessed - the odds are he produce a winning sessions more than losing ones because of the robotic skill you saw. it is not easy to do that I bet it took him years of work if it was as you described..

    If he was a bad bettor who had no discipline & was betting on every shooter, he would have lost money on that session showing you how not every DI wins even when they have influence.
     
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  18. DeMango, May 26, 2015

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    Pressit; I take notes on a 4x6" notebook. Some clues come early like PFH vs DP. If we have too many BDOA and they are splitting ones, I will goto a numbers kiss set. When sets change I change columns and note the set. I have a master spreadsheet to tote the results. I then input into BT later in the day. It's called WORK. No fun losing money. But the key to all this will always be money management. The hardest problem for me has always been gambling.
     
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  19. superrick, May 26, 2015

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    Truth be told, because there is no difference!
    Please tell me which one of these guys in these videos are on axis when their dice come to a stop. Can you say that any of them were on axis? Are any of them DI's


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...p;index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u...p;index=12&list=TLPhC1SU9dvTE


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E...amp;list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...amp;list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...amp;list=UUZ0GZph2K4ebWI6FVaoaJdQ





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di...amp;list=UUfDRf2L1rCEgYtGFlS_z9ag


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...YUjhs&list=PL29EB7437F6533C12








    This guy found 172 videos on throwing the dice or dice control and put them all in one spot for your viewing pleasure and he surely saved me a lot of work!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...L57YTXgE9UrKJJZsOGpdaFhWAEETRt-rU


    Lets not forget the one guy that had the best set-up for dice control, Aaron Hightower who went the extra mile to try to prove that dice control either work or it didn't. I have to give him a high-five for all of the work he put into it.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2QS26ppbc8


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBJwLtAORa0


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXSfu5QDDVA


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM3qDV9Lz3Y


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdTzwChYv0U


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-uMB17x4I
     
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  20. DeMango, May 26, 2015

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    Very easy to ID. Watch the way the dice fly. Making adjustments after results is what seperate the wannabees from the true DI's. This may include walking away from a table.
     
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