RDI: The ridiculous art of "Reverse Dice Influence"

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  1. TDVegas, May 22, 2015

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    If you ask any director of security at any major casino, I would wager that all of them scoff at the ability. If you ask them about card counters, they will readily admit it is possible and they have precautions in place. The only precautions at the craps table is that you follow the rules of play. Beyond that, "we welcome DI's"
     
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  2. driglaz, May 22, 2015

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    If you can identify a random roller why can't you identify a skilled DI?
     
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  3. TDVegas, May 22, 2015

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    They are all random rollers. There is nothing to identify.
     
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  4. Morgue, May 24, 2015

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    The expression is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".
    Which makes a lot more sense. For some reason that expression has been massacred in to what you quoted.
     
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    Sometimes I think we intentionally make the definition of simple terms difficult.

    Dice Control: You control the outcome of the dice, by using a particular dice set, use the same stance/position, tossed in a particular manner with an equal about for force, landing in the same spot will always yield you the same results. So the only reason you would leave the table is because you got bored of winning as the 7 would never appear.

    Dice Influence: Similar is to DC with the exception you don't control the dice, your influence changes after you analyze every roll, and with DI you understand and accept a 7 will show at some point. Your main goal, mine anyway, with DI is to prolong the eventual 7.

    My question for those who don't believe in DI. Am to understand that all you do is just pickup the dice and toss them towards the opposite back-wall. No particular set, no landing zone, no trajectory, no nothing, just pick the dice and throw? However, if all you do is just set the dice: HW, 2V, 3V, X6's, etc., you are doing it for a reason. So what would that reason be if you did not think this action would have some sort of favorable influence on the outcome that toss?

    BTW, this has nothing to do with on or off axis toss as both formats have established guidelines on how best to execute that toss, and both formats understand you'll roll a 7 at some point.

    The only "HEAT" I ever saw exhibited was the dealer telling the shooter to hit the back-wall, hurry up with the dice. Really is that what some consider HEAT?
     
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  6. Onautopilot, May 24, 2015

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    Many, many shooters "set" the dice, and other little rituals. The majority are acting from superstition, and some are acting from the belief they can "influence" the outcome of the roll through physical skills, and some have no idea why they "fiddle" with the dice, maybe because they saw others doing it when they started playing the game....blow on the dice and yell, "come on 7-11!". That is why it is a popular game, player interaction, and endless possibilities for selecting your strategy, for almost as many reasons.
     
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  7. tabletop123, May 24, 2015

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    Sometimes I just "Quick set" the Dice, ensuring that there's no sevens on top & toss my Controlled shot. In my honest Opinion There's not Much influence going on anyways, so you might as well just set the 3V & toss for the 6/8's. For those that are claiming Major influence on the 10's & 4's using the 2v or any other Set....... Good Luck with That!!! Not to say that it's unlikely, but I've been tossing for Quite some time & My Biggest Success is tossing More 6/8's. With influence Being so Marginal, & so Fleeting, seems like the 1.52% isn't Horrible on the 6/8. Personally I think that trying to Overcome Bets with more than a 2% HE is just not worth the Bother!!! For those that are Consistently hitting the 10's & 4's, or 5/9's....... CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! I just returned from a Casino trip & Had my asshole Tore out. Must have tossed a Shitload of 6/8's but Didn't Bet them!! Why? Because Smart-Ass ME was using a Permutated 2V set that was supposed to Produce 10's & 4's. This is what happens when you get Greedy & don't take what the Table is giving You. I'm Normally a 6/8 machine so why in the Hell would I want to change, & chase the 10 & 4's? GREED, My Friend, Greed!!!!!
     
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  8. Dave G Ct, May 24, 2015

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    Some players bet the 6&8 with the 4&10 especially if the 6 or 8 is the point.How could TD see a DI couped up in his video craps cocoon? Probably people looking over his shoulder- maybe giving TD some advice . wish I could watch !
     
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  9. Dave G Ct, May 24, 2015

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    This is for TD who wonders why DI do not increase their BR. Well TD Heavy reported a great weak racking up 6 k' s this week.He said his BR going to $1500 with a back up BR 20 times that in reserve. Yes TD a DI playing an AP game. TD nice to see your advice put into play!
     
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  10. Onautopilot, May 24, 2015

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    You have to be kidding, quoting Heavy's anecdotal brag, that is funny!
     
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  11. Dave G Ct, May 24, 2015

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    One cannot be negative to someone' s good fortune or in this case good play. There has to be a sense of " good faith" on these dice forums.I take people at their word until they show otherwise.
     
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  12. TDVegas, May 24, 2015

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    Dave will believe anything. Comical, right?
     
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  13. Onautopilot, May 24, 2015

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    I agree, one's word should be a statement of their character! In the case of Heavy's word, I weigh it with his vested interest in promoting a profit center, along with past statements as to his accomplishments at Dice Control, that were more than just suspect!
     
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  14. betwthelines, May 24, 2015

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    Yes.

    In fact i fling them so quickly, so immediately after getting the dice that some sticks ,who might be quite adept actually at moving the dice along nicely, will "hold up" just very, very briefly (that's all it takes, really) before giving me the dice once they have become used to my style...

    In over 41 years i have not been able to discern any difference between my results and anyone else's...i have my share of everything: i have my share of PSOs... i have my share of short rolls...i have my share of middling rolls...i have my share of long rolls...i have my share of monster rolls...for everyone else that i have had the occasion to witness many, many times, their results are the same and, believe me, some of these adamantly fancy themselves DI-ers...

    Who the shooter is, is of ZERO concern to me. At crowded tables i often don't even know who it is (& at sparsely populated tables, especially with just 2 players, i sometimes don't know who the shooter is EVEN WHEN IT'S MYSELF! [this is not uncommon for the stick too, again especially with only 2 shooters])

    Yes. Some legends-in-their-own-minds DI-ers consider these and maybe a few other, related things as heat...

    These 2 points--my perceptions outlined above and the fact that casinos ALLOW so-called DI-ers--are the main reasons that i do not believe in it...tom "home runs are often boring" p
    -g. geist: lol
    --tom p: what?
    ---g. geist: you don't know when you are the shooter
    ----tom p: it's true!
    -----g. geist: i know
     
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  15. Dave G Ct, May 24, 2015

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    All true with one exception I am net positive - are you?
     
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  16. betwthelines, May 24, 2015

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    Hell no! You must not have seen a lot of my posts.

    But do you have a point in asking? Also what do you mean by "one exception"? Plenty of peoples are net positive...

    I believe most on the forum think that some can have good luck and some can have bad luck--even over a lifetime...

    BTW, not that it matters at all, but i believe you.
    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
     
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  17. Onautopilot, May 24, 2015

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    I actually know a couple craps players that are ahead, at least I have no reason to doubt their claims. But what I have found out, is they are the same people that get upgraded to first class on a flight because of a airline screw up, they also consistently get upgraded to a suite because reservations made an error in booking. They always end up in the line that moves the fastest, and the ones that are males always seem to do and say the right thing at closing time...leaving with the "pretty" ones. More examples, but we all know the deal.....they were born under the right star! :)
     
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  18. Dave G Ct, May 24, 2015

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    No I was not trying to be flippant. Just took from your post DI - why even bother?
     
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  19. Dave G Ct, May 24, 2015

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    An old saying " Preparation has a way of making good luck"
     
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  20. betwthelines, May 24, 2015

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    nor was i hoping to come on too strong...

    no worries
    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
     
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