It doesn't rain often here, but when it does, the casino offers 5X points on rain days. With those points and cash back promotions, VP is a positive expectation for me. So it rained Friday, and I headed for the casino, there is just one road that goes to the casino through the Indian reservation....Wildcat Canyon Road. One end is at my location, and a 15 minute drive. Three miles later, I see the sign, "Road closed flooded". The other end of the road doesn't flood, but it is about a 40 minute drive for me that way. But I had my mind set on going, and I had a cash back coupon. I got my cash for the coupon, $65, and played some VP, lost that, and put a $100 of my own money in, lost that. Checked my free play points from the night and prior visits, and had $25 in free play. Played that and got back to even and a little ahead after a few nice hits. Decided to bite the bullet and get my craps fix on the card craps game. Played my conservative pass and come bet parlay strategy, did pretty good, but somehow, I just can't get my head into that game.....I have a point of nine and six, the shooter rolls a six on the dice, but the cards show the roll as a four, the initial thought, I won my bet....the reality, no you didn't. Cashed out a little ahead, tipped most of it to the dealers....they earn it there. Besides I have kinfolks working there. Turned out to be a good ride home, not that I won anything to speak of, but the flooded road sign was down on the short way out....15 minutes instead of 40.

Since Tony Guy is a psychic tarot card reader with 49 years experience, maybe you could act as a good instructor and give him some advice on how to play card craps. Since he has psychic abilities he should have a real edge on that game. But the first step is to get off his ignore button list.

Many different versions of card craps here in California. The one I play at Barona has the cards face up, so you know what the roll will be if the dice show a certain number. Actually a talented dice setter could set for that I reckon. I do see people setting the dice, but have no idea if it is just a habit thing or not. I know when I roll, I look at the up cards to see what I have to roll to get a come out winner.....might have to roll a 3 to have the cards show seven, or a seven for the cards to show an eleven. Crazy game from the mental aspect.

Yea, reckon that's why they have that points thing. If it does ever rain, people here tend to hunker down, so maybe they get a few "nuts" like me to come out and play. Sunny and warm here this morning....stay warm back there!

Please explain card craps to all of us that have never played it and probably will never pay it! But it would be interesting to hear your take on the game!

There are several versions of card craps here in California, some actually play the game with just cards, no dice, but on a real craps table. On that game, they have two sets of 6 cards, numbered, 1 thru 6. They shuffle the cards, then turn one over from each spread....that's the roll. Very simple version, but absolutely no player involvement other than placing bets. The one I play use dice, and the shooter rolls them just like on a standard game. They have 6 boxes labeled 1 thru 6. They have a shuffle machine that produces six cards 1 thru 6. They are laid out face down on the number boxes, then turned over to reveal the card numbers as they relate to the box numbers. By only using 6 cards, when you roll a hard way on the dice, say 4-4, what ever card is in the 4 box becomes that "hard way".....the card might be a 2, so 2-2 would be the call. In other words, the 5 card might be on the 2 box, etc. The shooter rolls the dice, what ever number shows on the dice, is correlated with the box numbers.....they throw a 2-5, and the cards in the 2-5 box actually show the card number, and might be cards 4 and 6. So the shooter rolled a seven, but the point is 10. In rare occasions, the cards actually may end up in the right "order" in the number boxes.....1 thru 6, and the cards just happen to end up in the corresponding boxes....so the dice throw would be "true" for that random distribution of the cards in the right boxes. Doesn't happen very often though. The cards are reshuffled after each roll, and placed in the number boxes located in front of the box man. They are really fast at it, the shuffle machine is beside the box, and the game can be just as fast as regular craps. It takes a little getting use to, but it is the exact random game as live craps for all practicable purposes. Since the cards are face up before the shooter rolls at this casino, the player actually knows what number they need to roll to get the desired result on the cards. I know it is hard to visualize without actually watching the flow of the game, but that is the basic concept.

I believe Alan "goatcabin" Shank mentioned a third version of the game that uses two decks of 36 (or maybe 72) cards, one (or two) each for the 36 possible combinations of two standard dice, and two non-standard dice, one red and one blue. One die has only the numbers 1 and 4, the other die has only the numbers 2 and 3. Both decks get shuffled and a single card is dealt face down from each. The shooter rolls the dice and the die with the higher number determines the color of the card revealed, which in turn reveals the "roll". I vaguely recall hearing of another variation, though this may have only been someone's musing. A deck of some number (six?) of sets of cards A-6 plus a single joker is shuffled and the top card dealt -- or a special automatic shuffler that dealt only two cards may have been used. The two cards show what two dice would have rolled, and the joker takes on the value of the other card.

Yes, I remember Goatcabin explaining that game he played up in northern California. I have only witnessed the two games I mentioned though. One played with strictly cards, very simple one. And the one I play where the dice determine the cards selected to indicate the number rolled. Why so much variation is beyond me, unless they are licensed games and the casinos have chosen which ones to employ.....I will ask my grandson next time the subject comes up. The only reason the card craps thing even exists here in California is strictly a political thing....all games of chance must be card related. This is tied to the old gambling laws in California, and Nevada has been lobbying to keep it that way, they spend millions every election year when it comes up to have Nevada type gambling legal in all Ca. casinos.

I left out that one of the decks is red while the other is blue so that a dealt card can be matched to the color of the die with the higher number. I trust this omission caused no confusion, and I have every confidence that if a more voluminous explanation is required I will not want for enlightenment.