QWHY DO PEOPLES PLAY a negative expectation gamble?

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  1. basicstrategy777, Dec 4, 2017

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    Sorry.


    ( actually, I wrote 2 books...the first one was on blackjack )

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  2. James Hall, Dec 4, 2017

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    I have a friend who fishes in bass tournaments and has won a lot of money , boats and all kinds of stuff
    He "LEARNED TO WIN"
     
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  3. James Hall, Dec 4, 2017

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    "the more I practice the luckier I get"
     
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    No comparison, bass fishing is a learned skill.....and time on the water is the key to success. Not necessarily so with random chance gambling games......but if it pleases you to use them as comparisons, I won't argue the point....mainly because I know it would be futile. :)
     
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    In most things I agree, but I remain a skeptic that practice at craps helps any.....I could be convinced with actual demonstration, but that has not happened, and I doubt it ever will.
     
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  6. James Hall, Dec 4, 2017

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  7. James Hall, Dec 4, 2017

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    actually time on the water is not the key , time on the water is part of the practice
    session, more importantly is to learn where your prey spend their time
    what structures they frequent , what water temperatures they prefer , at what depths
    on a given lake those teperatures will be found , on and on and on
    The anglers who learn and practice that stuff have greater odds of winning
    It's not much different than winning at craps
    Learn , practice , win
    Learn , practice , win
    craps is no different
     
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  8. James Hall, Dec 4, 2017

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    Where have you gone to see a demonstration by a truly skilled player
     
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  9. Onautopilot, Dec 4, 2017

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    What do you think the time on the water is for......doing just what you outline here.

    I believe I probably hold the upper hand in the competitive bass fishing category here James.....since I taught my son almost everything he knows about competitive bass fishing, and he just happened to win the U,S. Open a few years back!
     
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  10. DeMango, Dec 4, 2017

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    Yes but can he throw 5 hard 8's before a seven or easy 8???
     
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    I raised a smart kid, he don't frequent the casinos like his dad. :)
     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, Dec 5, 2017

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    Utilizing this information, anglers are on the prepared path to success. They can expect to catch some fish. (Hope they are walleye).

    Utilizing the same type of learning and practicing for a game of chance dependent on the tumbling dice, you can expect some wins and some losses. (Hope the wins are larger than the losses).

    For me, its the same old same old, with confusion abounding between skill and chance.

    We simply have alternate ways of seeing things, and that is perfectly alright.
     
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  13. James Hall, Dec 5, 2017

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    The confusion between skill and chance is exactly why some people never even explore the possibility,
    My attitude has ALWAYS BEEN if someone can do something beneficial by accident
    I can learn to do it on purpose , all I need is to FIND OUT HOW he did it and work to make it happen repeatedly
    To my way of thinking , to see someone do something even only once
    and say it can't be done , to me is beyond ludicrous
    I know that , if I can do a thing by accident one time , I can , by finding out why that
    happened I can , thru practice duplicate that , time and again
    That is exactly where I am , thanks to the help from Sydney

    "ANYTHING A PERSON CAN DO ONE TIME , THRU PRACTICE, CAN BE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DUPLICATED<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
     
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  14. James Hall, Dec 5, 2017

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    You left the impression with many that all you have to do is go fishing a lot and you can become very good at fishing , I was simply stating to be really good there is a lot of things that go into winning other than just practicing
    There is a lot of , "INFORMATION" a person needs to be a winner
    Learn , practice , win in fishing is a good model as well as in craps
    there is not much in the world more random than fishing

    I am sure you taught your son , "everything , "YOU KNOW" know
    I would venture to say that it would be a stretch to say that you taught him
    "EVERYTHING" he knows , he has probably learned some things beyond that
    He was offered thru the love of a father an "ADVANTAGE" that many people
    never have , a mentor who cares and has the "KNOWLEDGE" to pass on
    I too was fortunate to find such a mentor , "SYDNEY" who taught and trained me
    and set me on a path in the game of , "CRAPS" an advantage that I might otherwise never have had
    Your son has been given a great advantage , I am sure he is very grateful
    to have such a man in his life
     
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    Based on this, and many, many other posts, I think the forum should have a new section: Hall's Philosophy of Life. That way we can concentrate on craps.
     
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  16. James Hall, Dec 5, 2017

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    You would do well to explore Philosophies in addition to what ever if any you presently
    practice , it is plain to see what you are utilizing now are doing you little if any good at all
    The view of craps that many of you on this board hold and discuss are so
    impractical it would pay you to pay attention to something other than what you spout over and over
    LEARN SOMETHING develop a winning game
     
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    It was a simple comment yet you twist it to say I'm doing something wrong in my life.
    Who the fuck are you to judge anybody?!
     
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    Only to someone like you who wants to twist or make up things in your head to suit whatever false premise you want to put forth.
     
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  19. superrick, Dec 5, 2017

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    And what Us open was that or is that just one more claim to fame?
     
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    You better read OAP last post above after all his son won the US open!
     
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