QWHY DO PEOPLES PLAY a negative expectation gamble?

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  1. betwthelines, Sep 6, 2017

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    my guess is that it is extremely rare if not virtually non-existent that anyone comes onto and posts on a gambling forum without first having some experience in gambling themselves...and by extension come onto a craps forum without first having played some craps.

    it has always surprised me a little how these posters would therefore, often after noting the negative expectation ask, with some sense of seriousness, "why do you play?"...although it is not always divulged, nor possibly are they capable even of putting it into words, these do know why they play.

    as for veteran gamblers, especially antique ones like the many that we have on this very forum, it is positively flabbergasting that they even (seriously) ask.

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    our very own 7s, after his own reference to russian roulette (lol), offered a quote that IMO gets right to the bottom line:

    " The facination of danger is at the bottom of all great passions. There is no fullness of pleasure unless the precipice is near. It is the mingling of terror with delight that intoxicates. And what is more terrifying than play"
    --Anatole France; The Garden of Epicurus, 1926

    succinctness too has been put forth on here...'pilot, often capable of it if not always executing it, put it down in one word: chance.

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    it is to me mildly mystifying that anyone would discourage anyone who can afford it from playing such an extraordinary entertainment as bank craps...yet we sometimes see it on this forum: LTWOQ for example...very strange, very peculiar coming especially from an ancient player.

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    my own opinion is: there are reasons in common with all gamblers as to why we gamble but the specific reason(s) are idiosyncratic...there are as many reasons as there are individuals who gamble.

    what are your reasons for playing a negative expectation game?

    tom p
    -g. geist: ain't ya gonna put it up azza poll?
    --tom p: o, my, heavens no! this izza "put it in your own words kinda thing"
    ---g. geist:
    ----tom p: no boxed-in thinking necessary
     
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  2. Settingcanthurt, Sep 6, 2017

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    I began for two reasons.
    1. Not knowing how to play. (still working on that) The facination of the table layout, using dice, the odds on payoff seemed to be pretty good. And at the time it was a cheap buy-in. $2.00

    I played all night long on $20.00 till it was finally gone. What I found right away was the good feeling when the dealer gives you way more chips then you bet. (seemed to be more points being made back then). I at the time did not know the payoffs. it was and is fun to play.

    2. Today knowing more and having more to bet.;) Willing to risk more to get the bigger payoffs.
    Always the hope a 7 will be show on come out.
    Getting enough from the house to put down a good number of bets with the expectation of actually hitting that big bet. It does happen ya know.

    Win big. lose big Fast and Furious. Next time I gotta bring more moneyo_O
     
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  3. TDVegas, Sep 6, 2017

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    Of all the games out there, I love the fact that the margins are razor thin. I can play low minimums and still play virtually any strategy I want.

    It's not a money maker endeavor...ignoring the cries of "yes it is".

    Love the game. Know the reality. I just need a little luck to walk away a winner.

    We play for the thrill of walking away with more money than we came with....

    For me, it doesn't matter the amount. It's the victory I like...small or not.
     
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  4. betwthelines, Sep 6, 2017

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  6. superrick, Sep 6, 2017

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    You need to read about the psychology behind gambling. Did you know that some players get a high from losing and then having small win?
     
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  7. Edward-ky, Sep 7, 2017

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    For one reason the challenge of the game. Another is in a way kinda like a hobby. It isn't like blackjack where for the most part here is your Strategy card so just follow this card.
     
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    I've never been at a crap table that didn't have someone winning something on just about every roll. But yeah, go figure...I bet 99% of players know that craps is a long term negative.

    It just fractures my sometimes logical approach to see huge sums of money won on the prop bets, the bets I don't play now...

    ...perhaps that's why I've become so enamored with this game.

    I never, ever play the lotto and the only time I play the slots is when I leave the table with a profit so the bean counters will see my players card.

    Seriously though I'm giving mini-baccarat a serious look and may give this a try the next opportunity that presents an empty chair with an note worthy Asian women playing...

    ...then I'll nonchalantly mimic her play for awhile.
     
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  9. OffAndOn, Sep 7, 2017

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    Agree. I think fundamentally gamblers love winning more than they hate losing. Other people - some sports stars, for example, hate losing more than they love winning - they could not enjoy gambling, in my opinion.
     
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    its fun.
    everything fun costs money.
     
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    For myself, it's the challenge! The Casino giving me the choice of five out of the bowl , & saying ya can't beat me. The silent whisper of the Casino saying: Pssssst.....bet ya I can stick my hand in your wallet, & extract some/all of your money!
    The bravado of me saying: Fu**k you....I ain't giving you SHIT, & since we are on the subject of who's taking who's money......"Stick Up" Motherfu**ker!

    Psssssst......The Casinos ain't no slouch! Lol
     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, Sep 8, 2017

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    First took an interest in the game because my dad enjoyed it so much, and this rubbed off on me.

    Continue to play it somewhat as a tip of the hat to him - he is usually on my mind if not when playing, then on the drive to or from. Certainly it is not the excitement of the play - for me there is essentially none of this, wit only one bet going, unless its getting to be big.

    The why at this point for me is the opportunity, rare though it is, to get a chance to take a bundle off the table. So of course it is the money, but there can never be enough.

    I'm pretty sure if I took 50K out of the casino, I'd still be bitching about that last $5000 wager that sevened out AND the fact that uncle Sam is riding my ass for some of the winnings.
     
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  13. James Hall, Nov 13, 2017

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    don't misunderstand , "LTWOQ" , offers two options , the first being , "LEARN to WIN"-----(LTW)
    the other option , "OQ" , "OR QUIT" , "LTWOQ" , "LEAREN TO WIN OR QUIT"
    Any way you cut it , slice or dice it that is very , very good advice
    Many people play for years , bleeding money and never learn to quit , That seems more than silly to me
    I believe all too many times , people have the idea that there is just no way , "TO LEARN" so they just keep , "LOSING"
    hoping for luck to somehow change and smile down upon them.
    Sooner or later they go broke , just give up and quit or lose interest and stop
    never affording themselves the opportunity , "to WIN"
    "LTWOQ" , when you really thank about it is the best advice many craps players will ever get
     
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  14. James Hall, Nov 13, 2017

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    TDVegas would disagree with that
     
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  15. DeMango, Nov 13, 2017

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    Thread resurrection time! C'mon AssHall, only 81 worthless posts to 6,000!!! Grab a pot of coffee, you can do it before dawn!
     
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  16. betwthelines, Nov 13, 2017

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    True. for some...

    False--very bad, even insulting advice-for others, false for the majority, maybe even the vast majority, of bank craps players.

    more than your bloviating ego (which frankly i personally find amusing and which off-puts me not at all...lol...), one of the problems that many on here have with you is that you DON'T cut it...you DONT slice it...you DONT dice it...it is your own objectives, your own goals or the highway...this is wrong and a mistake.
    True. many bleed money for years...if you play much, you yourself probably do even...but they do not "learn" to win for three reasons: they are in the (probably majority) camp that believe bank craps is a game of luck and so there is not all that much to "learn"...not a whole lot more than the long island man can teach his putative 12 year old in a half hour or so...it is all chance.

    so there is no skill involved and thus nothing or little to "learn", but most importantly they do not WANT to quit...fun and entertainment, including gambling, costs money...every fool knows this...i know it...the american peoples know it...you deep down know it...at your age that you do not know why peoples gamble is just too baffling and, frankly, i do not believe it even if it is implicit in your "LTWOQ"

    you insult those who believe --rightly or wrongly is not the issue-- that there is nothing to learn when you advise them to quit for that reason...that you yourself are in the (probably minority) skill camp and play only for money is no reason to pretend there is not a legitimate contravening camp, indeed a camp that for over 100 years has seen no evidence to sway their skepticism.
    rubbish.

    the vast majority (much fewer than 85% according to the sanguine hearts in the recovery industry) do not "go broke" gambling (actually what they do say is that 15% are "problem gamblers" and far from all of them "go broke")...sure, some lose interest and quit but not because they believe they are denying themselves an opportunity to win.
    don't know about "many" but for some, yes, for those whose only delusional reason for playing is to make money, it is good advice...for most others it is just a non sequitur and derogatory horseshit.

    your denial of even the existence of others' reality is idiocy...consciously or not LTWOQ does just that and is one reason that you feel (mostly erroneously imo) that you are under "attack".

    tom p
     
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  17. DeMango, Nov 13, 2017

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    Another great argument from TomP.
    It will fly over the head of assHall.
    It will be ignored by SuperRick.
    It would be nice to be wrong once in awhile about the above two statements.
    But I thank Rick for posting Harley's latest rants on that provided link. That one quote from Snakeeyes was priceless, but yes, Heavy did delete our warm conversation on his board. Alcohol will do that to a memory.
     
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  18. superrick, Nov 13, 2017

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    You know something DeMango I find it quite funny that you believe something that Harley wrote!

    We know that you don't like snakeyes and he doesn't like you and I too wrote that snakeyes did a lot of drinking when writing because of what Harley was telling me.

    I've been on the tables with snakeyes and he doesn't have a drinking problem.
     
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  19. DeMango, Nov 13, 2017

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    Nothing funny at all Rick, Harley did not write it, Snakeeyes did. Please go to the link, read what Harley wrote and what he quoted. It's like you stepping up for AssHall. You should read what he writes! Here is another lie, first time exposed. Heavy does not recall ever having accepted AssHall as a member, got that from a trusted source. You have just traded in one story teller for another. Rick you have my sympathies, because I too, have been divorced twice!

    You see Rick, there is a big difference between you meeting someone and what they are on this board. Some here turn into utter douchebags. When you call them out they turn on you like a rabid dog.
     
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    Apparently, I miss all of this "interesting" stuff. Where is this link?
     
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