Quick Trip to Stateline, Nevada

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  1. random_roller, Feb 12, 2018

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    I made a quick stop in Stateline, Nevada last week. What a beautiful part of the country. No snow on US 50 along the way, which made the visit possible. In year's past, I have taken that route (and the northern route on I-80 over Donner Pass) and had to put chains on all tires, which makes the drive hellishly long. On this visit, the weather was great (for February) -- and I missed the 8"+ of snow that hit Chicagoland while I was away!

    1. There are 5 casinos in Stateline with craps tables: Harveys (3 craps tables), Harrah's (5 craps tables), Montbleu (3 craps tables), Hard Rock (2 craps tables), and Lakeside Inn and Casino (1 craps table).

    2. Harveys, Hard Rock and Montbleu had 1 table open, Harrah's had 2 tables open. I was told more tables would be open at those casinos during Friday/Saturday peak hours. The lone table at Lakeside was open.

    3. $5 craps tables were available at all 5 casinos when I visited.

    4. Lakeside Inn and Casino has a 16' table. It is a lonnnnnggggg table. No bonus bets (ATS or Fire), but the only casino offering 3x on the Field 12. PL was $5 to $200 with 10x odds ($2K max). You could definitely hear the dice when they hit the table.

    5. Hard Rock is the only casino that offers the Fire Bet (no ATS). PL was $5 to $1,000 with 3x/4x/5x odds.

    6. Harrah's, Harveys and Montbleu offer the ATS (no Fire Bet) at 30x/150x/30x. PL was $5 to $2,000 with 3x/4x/5x odds.

    7. Harveys, Harrah's, and Montbleu all had Aruze Shoot to Win Craps. I don't recall if Hard Rock had electronic craps.

    8. On the way to Lake Tahoe area, I stopped by Red Hawk Casino (Placerville, CA, mailing address). This is an IGRA (Native American) facility built into a mountainside. There are 2 craps tables featuring the California version of the game. Recall in California, dice alone cannot dictate the outcome of a game of chance. So the casino uses a form of card craps using 6 cards, each with a different number from 1 to 6, and 6 rectangle outlines, each with a different number from 1 to 6. The 6 cards are hand-shuffled card and then 1 card is placed inside each of 6 numbered rectangles. The cards are then flipped over. The shooter tosses 2 dice and the outcome of the dice determines which card value is to be selected. So if the dice show a 3 and 5, then the value of the cards in the 3rd & 5th rectangle outlines is what was "rolled". If the dice are 4 and 4, then the value of the card in the 4th rectangle is doubled. The cards are reshuffled for each new shooter.

    I have to say the crew was much more efficient at this version of the game than I had recalled years earlier (using a different setup that involved card shuffling machines). There were 2 craps tables. PL $5 to $1,000 with 3x/4x/5x odds. ATS at 34x/175x/34x. No Fire Bet. Also Shoot to Win Craps, but the machine was out of order.

    IMO, the most interesting offering at Red Hawk Casino was Dai Bacc, a modified version of EZ Baccarat that offers a "kill" bet. I haven't seen this version offered anywhere in the Midwest and previously only at 2 other casinos/cardrooms. Shame I didn't have time to study it more closely.

    9. If you get the opportunity, it's definitely worth a visit. The Lake Tahoe area is beautiful, with lots to do outdoors throughout the year (provided there is sufficient snowfall during the winter...).
     
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  2. TDVegas, Feb 12, 2018

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    I concur...was up there over Christmas. Visited on the Northside. I would like to go back in the summer.
     
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  3. random_roller, Feb 12, 2018

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    I recall you posting about your visit. I haven't been to the north part of Lake Tahoe in a while. South side is better for me, since I was able to earn a few Total Rewards tier credits at CET properties (while enjoying a free room). Wish we could afford a nice house in the area, lol.
     
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    thankyou for sharing a report.

    last area of Nevada I want to visit. was originally planning on 40th anniversary later this year, doesn't look like its going to happen.

    Ill probably get to tunica first.

    my sister and bil love lake Tahoe, all of a sudden my sister is a cross country skier and says nothing is as nice as cross country skiing in lake Tahoe area.

    they put bids on foreclosed homes up there but still haven't pulled the trigger.
     
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  5. random_roller, Feb 12, 2018

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    IMO, the Lake Tahoe area is definitely worth a visit. Especially if you enjoy the outdoors. Watching the sunset behind the mountains from Nevada Beach is amazing. If I had more time, I might have gone skiing at Heavenly, which is just down the road from the casinos.

    Below is a view from the balcony of my room on the 16th floor, Harveys Lake Tahoe.

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    Down the road? Two city blocks from Harvey's and Harrah's! Gotta be the closest, a craps table and a lift line, distance in the world!
     
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    that would be some view with a balcony to eat breakfast(even lunch or dinner), but to wake up and have that view and be able to be outside if weather permits....yeah baby, that's what Im talking about.

    but Im still partial to hotels on the ocean, the sun rising over the ocean or setting , out on a 20th story balcony, still the best to me......but that view...wowser....now I see why my sister loves it so much.

    you putting up that picture is the reason me and my wife enjoy visiting different casinos, not only the casinos, the areas, the beauty of things weve never seen,
    Ill get there, gives us something to look forward too, besides, my friends ranch up there north of reno, his view is spectacular and we can bbq and shoot right off his deck. (he owns the mountain in back of his house)
     
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  8. Onautopilot, Feb 12, 2018

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    I have visited the Tahoe area many times over the years. I use to rent a cabin for a week-end, or week depending on time off. Have done the summer and winter thing....both have their features.

    A dinner cruise on the lake is a summer event you should not miss. When I was in real estate, we had some conventions at Tahoe....now that's the way to go! My company paid for all my expenses, and it was all fist rate.

    I would love to have a "cabin" in Tahoe, should have bought one when I had the opportunity years ago!
     
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  9. random_roller, Feb 12, 2018

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    I also enjoy the journey to/from a casino and checking out nearby attractions, places of interest. Of course, not every casino is located in an idyllic setting, but if a person is willing to drive an hour or two, there is usually something/somewhere (or even someone) in the vicinity of a casino worth visiting.

    A few casinos worth a visit (not just because of the gaming):

    One of my all-time favorites -- Quinault Beach Resort and Casino (Ocean Shores, WA). I've mentioned this casino in other posts. It is located right on the Pacific Ocean, @50 miles from Olympic National Park and @140 miles from Mount Rainier National Park. IMO, this one is not to be missed (for reasons other than playing craps). On the way to/from Ocean Shores, stop by Sequim (WA) and treat yourself to a meal of Dungeness Crab.
    http://www.quinaultbeachresort.com/

    Black Oak Casino Resort (Tuolumne, CA). No craps table, but this casino is @43 miles from Yosemite National Park and @12 miles from Railtown 1897 State Historic Park. Tuolumne is where historic West Side Lumber (and its famed logging railroad) operated for decades before shuttering in the early 1960s. Yosemite National Park speaks for itself. The drive along SR 49 is very scenic, if not a bit nerve-wracking at times. Sutter Creek (motherlode town from the gold rush days) and San Andreas are on SR 49.
    https://www.blackoakcasino.com/

    Fallsview Casino Resort (Niagara Falls, Ontario) -- Great views of Niagara Falls from window seats at the (very good) buffet.
    https://www.fallsviewcasinoresort.com/
     
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  10. random_roller, Feb 12, 2018

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    A few more pictures of Lake Tahoe, late afternoon in February.

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  11. Mssthis1, Feb 13, 2018

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    The Tahoe/Reno area is one of my favorite places to visit. I need to get back up there, it's been 5 years since the last visit.
     
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    Thank you for explaining card craps. Seems this setup would be very difficult to make non random. Why doesn't Ca. trust the dice to be random, without cards? What do they know? :)
     
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    It's not the casinos in CA. that limit craps to cards. The CA legislature ruled long ago that any random gambling games in CA, must be decided by the turn of cards.

    This was mostly brought about by the Vegas group, lobbying to protect their interests in Nevada, and keep the CA crowds still coming to the desert for the "real" games. They spent millions in lobbying, and so far have been successful.

    Totally stupid......it is basically exactly the same games expectation wise.....craps and roulette. But dollars have a way of getting their way. :)
     
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    Looks like a pretty effective way to keep the game random. I think "lobby" is just politically correct for "bribe", in most cases. Maybe they should make all card games, be decided by a roll of the dice. Dollars, almost always rule, and I doubt if enforcement, is any exception to the rule. :)
     
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    is that beach walkable in bare feet or is it like Laughlin, jagged rocks stabbing your feet beneath the sand.
     
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    Not sure about that particular one, but they have many really nice beaches along the Tahoe shoreline. They also have some very "rocky" ones.....all of them are neat to play around on.....and they often have some "scenery" that is devoid of foliage. :)
     
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  17. random_roller, Feb 14, 2018

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    Nevada Beach is sand (see picture I posted above). It's not the really fine sand you'll find at some beaches along the ocean, but walking barefoot shouldn't be a problem. Off Kahle Drive there is a nice nature trail (Lam Watah) with a small parking lot at the beginning. This trail starts close to Lakeside Inn and Casino (which has a bigger parking lot :D) and eventually leads to Nevada Beach. Or you can drive closer to the campground and park. During the busy season, though, it might be tough to find a parking space and there *might* be a fee.

    Nevada Beach Campground and Day Use Pavilion
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nevada Beach Campground and Day Use Pavilion/@38.9811,-119.9608547,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x80999ac2146a7f19:0xeea12c6f133167ad!8m2!3d38.9811!4d-119.9521

    https://www.recreation.gov/camping/...oundDetails.do?contractCode=NRSO&parkId=71530

    I walked from Harveys Lake Tahoe to Nevada Beach via the Lam Watah Nature Trail (taking the long paved route). Pretty easy to do (YMMV), but next time I'll bring a bottle of water. Leaving the beach, I took a well-used dirt path that connected with the paved trail. This shortcut was a significant time saver.
     
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    Along the Lam Watah Nature Trail, Stateline, Nevada

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    Hard Rock, Harrah's, and Harveys in Stateline, Nevada

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    OAP's response is spot on with respect to lobbying. It's the Nevada gaming interests trying to protect their long-time customer base in California. However, the proliferation of IGRA (Native American) casinos in the Golden State has definitely impacted Nevada casinos. To the vast majority of people who frequent casinos, it doesn't really matter that traditional craps isn't played in CA.
     
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