Question about Stickmen flipping dice

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  1. EVOLVE, Dec 16, 2016

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    so most places I go to just push the dice over to you when you're shooting, but I have noticed this one casino doesn't do this. They sit there taking bets and then just before pushing dice to you, they take the stick and try to flip the dice and then push them to you.
    I'm wondering is this normal in a lot of places and is there a reason behind it?
    I been thinking they are just messing with people setting dice, but I could be wrong since I am somewhat new to the game
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Dec 17, 2016

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    Bets are to be made when dice are in the middle of the table.

    Flipping dice over are to make sure all numbers are present and box can also check by looking at mirror. Making sure no one introduced "Tops" or Misses"

    777
     
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  3. James Hall, Dec 17, 2016

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    On a good long roll I have actually had the stick guy return the dice to me
    with the numbers up , that I have been setting
    I bet for the dealers , so my thinking was that they want me throwing numbers
    one pit I know pretty well told me they sometimes do that to speed up the game
    in my case that is not true , it takes me less than three seconds to set the dice
     
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  4. siik2nr, Dec 17, 2016

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    Most of the time it's to make sure they don't pass you the devil.
     
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  5. superrick, Dec 17, 2016

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    What basicstrategy777, said is 100% true but also very stupid on the part of the casinos nowadays if they are flipping the dice. The casinos make their money on rolls per hour any time they are having their dealers flipping the dice they are cutting into the money they should be making!

    WE had a casino here when they got a new table games manager insisting that the dice were to be flipped numerous times when the dealers got the dice!
    Some table games managers do not know how craps tables make money. The mirrors are their main line of defense for "Tops" or Misses" and should be used. All of the older dealers at that table were complaining about the new flipping the dice procedure, they knew that it was just stupid and it was the boxman's job to look at the mirror to see if the dice were okay!

    After a very friendly talk with the new table games, the manager they changed back to their old way of moving the game along. Some of these guys might know the other games but they never dealt craps before and don't have a clue as to how it makes money. I once ask on this board about how craps makes money and OAP was the only one that came up with the right answer!
     
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  6. Settingcanthurt, Dec 17, 2016

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    I set for my seven come out and made it first toss.(lucky). Dice came back as the stick reset the seven for me. Of course I tossed a 5 next. he just pushed the dice to me next time. So They probably watch and help if they can. probably keeps their boredom down.
     
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  7. SevenOut, Dec 17, 2016

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    Give me a... break. Now the Stickman Dice Flipping scam...

    Evolve watched the Stickman at his table and makes the conclusion that something was nefarious. It was just that Stickman's style. Watch a few other tables and each Stickman calls and moves the dice differently.

    My dealers would bring the dice to the center of the table. That is Rule #1.

    If the end dealers are taking wagers, the Stickman would, if so desired, set the dice to Point. If the shooter had a Point that could be shot the hardway... a good Stickman would set the dice the Hardway.

    A stickman 'should not' push a 2, 3, 11 or 12, but... if sloppy, can.

    Rule #2. A stickman never pushes a SEVEN to the shooter. Unless the Stickman is new and dumb as a rock.

    Each Stickman has a preference for the length of the Stick. Probably 32" to 36" is standard for those 5' 8" or taller. A short dealer, as some women, will stand up on a step up that is stored under the table. This happens for a short end dealer as well to make payouts and take losers during the game.

    Sometimes the bamboo stick will lose some of the angle at the end. I would steam them at home and get a good 90 degree angle when needed...

    I could flip the dice to whatever I wanted. It is a 'learned SKILL'. Much like someone setting dice... an experienced Stickman shows off his skill in moving the dice around the table.

    Watching the five dice being lined up and pushed to a shooter is a learned skill. Then gathering the three lose dice and getting them into the dice cup before the shooter delivers the dice is necessary.

    Settingcanthurt understands this well. Dealing Craps is the top of the pyramid for dealers in math skills for payouts and securing the game. Adding a little showmanship is fun for all.

    Conspiracy. Naw... There is already enough BS on the Forum.

    Evolve does not say where he is from, but when he finds an experienced Stickman... he will notice the difference. You just experienced a sloppy stickman. He did not do the job that many Stickman like to exhibit. Hopefully next time you will be lucky to find a truly skilled dealer!

    Good luck. A good Stickman knows what you are up to if setting dice. He is more than happy to try pushing the set to you when possible! Tips do influence the attitude of end dealers and the Stickman.
     
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  8. superrick, Dec 17, 2016

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    What SevenOut, posted is true. A funny story is one of the casinos in Laughlin, NV. will not allow you to set the dice but the dealer will set them for you claiming that it slows up the game too much as long as you are tipping them, which I always do!

     
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  9. Grizzoola, Dec 17, 2016

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    I think there's a lot of superstition (like so many things in Craps) as to what numbers show on top when you toss them. I'm not talking about DI, just random shooting with "set" dice. I'm too lazy to do it, but it'd be interesting to see if someone could do, say, 100 tosses (about an hr's worth of live play) w/ the 7 showing on top. Then, the same w/ the hard 8 showing, to cite another possibly desired number. IOW, is it worth setting the dice if you're a random shooter?

    If not, who cares how the stickman presents your dice?
     
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  10. HornHighBLEVE, Dec 17, 2016

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    It's a courtesy for the stick/crew not to have the seven showing when the dice are presented to you. Since they depend on tips it's one of the few obvious things they can do for you.
     
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  11. Onautopilot, Dec 17, 2016

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    A dealer's time on the stick is the only time they can show a little individualism, within the box's discretion. Dealing for the most part, is a boring job, and some dealers when on stick, introduce their own little nuances to change monotony.

    Flipping the dice is just part of the sticks routine, not sending the dice back to the shooter with a craps or seven on top, and checking the dice.

    I use to set the point, or sister point a lot when dealing stick.

    No conspiracy, the box might have some superstitions about presenting the dice, but I never experienced that.

    Most shooters fiddle a little with the dice anyway, so it really doesn't make any difference how the stick presents them.
     
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  12. superrick, Dec 17, 2016

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    I laugh at the dealers when they accidentally flip the dice to a 7 and tell them just give me the dice it doesn't matter what is on top of them, as they are apologizing for the 7 showing! The seven showing is just one more superstition that you will find on a craps table. Get over it, it does nothing to the dice and how they are going to turn out!
     
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  13. Onautopilot, Dec 17, 2016

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    Of course it has nothing to do with outcomes, and it is just a superstition, but gambling and superstition are as intertwined as grape vines. :)
     
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  14. SevenOut, Dec 17, 2016

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    Presenting the shooter with a Seven total up is not too bad a blunder.

    Shooting and getting a Seven Out as an encore to the Stickman's delivery... IS.
     
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    I have to admit, I am sometimes a dice setter, takes me about two seconds to do it.

    If my point is 6 or 8, I set a 9 or 5. If my point is 9 or 5, I set a 6 or 8. If my point is 4 or 10, I set the sister number.

    When doing this, I have had some great rolls, and made a PILE of money.....I can remember both times. :)
     
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  16. SevenOut, Dec 18, 2016

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    I was shooting Craps last evening in Henderson. There were myself and the shooter. A half table dealer setup on a 12 foot table.

    During the session, the shooter threw a 3 Craps on the Come Out. Pass Line wager gone.

    The dealer pushed the dice with a SEVEN showing. The shooter was not happy. The Stickman said it is the "Come Out Roll".

    Obviously, even then a Shooter does not want to see a Seven being pushed over at any time. He shrugged his shoulders and the game went on.

    I made... $8 and left $59 of winnings, working on the table, when the shooter missed making point. It was a two player table and making my bankroll and an extra $8 was enough for the ten minute drive from home. Wife won $12 on the Video Poker.

    The lives of two High Rollers...
     
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