Power Press

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  1. oldgrasshopper, Sep 22, 2016

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    The following is the only reference Iv'e seen on the net but it only talks about the PP on the 6 and 8.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wwcJDYxngw

    Is there literature on this subject, and where can I learn about the nuances of the PP and an overall strategy for betting on the other numbers?

    Thank you.
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Sep 22, 2016

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    Using the power press, "in two rolls, you have gone from a couple of $30 bets to $150."

    This method starts with $30 six and eight.

    Why not put all $60 on the boxcars? Two hits here nets you $54,000, a trifle better than $150. :rolleyes:

    Now there's a power press.

    Scratch that, didn't think things through. After you have turned $60 into $1800, they are NOT going to let you let things ride. Forget what the table limit is on the 30:1 bets, primarily because I have NEVER played one. :oops: Let's assume it is $300, in which case you pull $1500 into the rail, then let the $300 turn into $9000.

    $10,500, a far cry from $54,000, but still a hell of a lot better than $150.
     
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  3. James Hall, Sep 22, 2016

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    Oldgrasshopper that method of play is not uncommon , among some players that is just standard
    When we go to Vegas that is one of our standard betting strategies
    I play the hard 6 and 8 for $5
    I bet that for me and the dealers
    first hit I parlay both my bet and the dealers bet to $50
    second hit I parlay both to $500
    third hit I rack $5000
    $5000 tip for the dealers
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Sep 22, 2016

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    I am not going to whine at James about this. He plays the hard six and eight regularly. I play them very infrequently, and have still hit the three in a row 3 or 4 times.

    However, I always go 5-->25--> 111 and off with 1K on the third hit. 5K would be awesome!
     
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    Well, what I can INFER from the answers, a Power Press is another way of saying one Parlays every bet?

    KoKo shows how he PROGRESSES his bets on the 6/8, BUT this does not meet the definition of a Power Press?

    In the video his definition is what I believe is called 'parlaying the bets' (because he is letter the winners ride)?

    Thanks guys for your posts here answering the newbie.

    James, I think you tip the dealers $500,right?
     
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  6. James Hall, Sep 22, 2016

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    nope when that bet hits the third time they receive $5000 it actually only cost me $5

    I prefer tipping that way because it is cheaper and it allows me to invest the dealers in the game
    gets them on my side and they want me to hit numbers
    I have on occasion had the pit boss max the dealers part to $250

    Parlay on every bet ??
    you must be careful how you do these things I have seen players press bets continuously thru a long roll never pulling anything down
    and wind up losing money
     
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  7. James Hall, Sep 22, 2016

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    It is awesome but everyone realizes to hit three in a long roll does not happen very often
    there have been many many times I have sevened out after hitting it the second time after parlaying to $500
    On one occasion a lady standing next to me said "My Gawd you just lost $500 on that hard 6"
    No I didn't I only had $5 invested
    I throw a lot of 6s and 8s and on occasion many of them are hard ways enough so that it makes no sense not to play them
    I bet what the table gives me (what numbers I am rolling at the time)
    there is an altered basic set I use which allows me those hard ways on a good day
     
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  8. random_roller, Sep 22, 2016

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    I agree with betting big(ger) on oneself. I'd be happy with parlaying and then pocketing $250 or $300 on the 2nd hit, letting the rest ride on the hardway. Really nice toke for the crew if (when) the HW hits 3x in a row the way you play it.
     
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  9. James Hall, Sep 22, 2016

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    HW doesn't have to hit three times in a row , just 3 times before a 7 or the easy way

    One of the Mesa guys at Harrahas in Laughlin hit 4 hard 8s in 4 throws once
     
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    That part was implied.
     
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  11. oldgrasshopper, Sep 22, 2016

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    Sorry James, yeah 5K to the dealers. And KoKo, I like your progression which probably also qualifies as a Power Press. Note to self:
    "think it through man: think it through!!!"
     
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    May I inject another concept while we on this topic of Power Pressing? Iv'e read somewhere that a smart shooter looking to come out ahead in the long term needs to ABSOLUTELY PRESS his bets to make up for all the numerous losses along the way. IOW the shooter needs to 'make hay while the sun shines'. My question is I wonder if there is some optimal schedule of pressing to accomplish that feat? I haven't read anything specific but maybe I missed it.
     
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  13. James Hall, Sep 22, 2016

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    Oldgrasshopper the way I play and the betting strategies we use are geared to two things
    capitalizing on the numbers I have the greatest tendencies to throw / BET WHAT THE TABLE GIVES ME
    and the effort to always start out very conservative and build my session to very very aggressive by
    pressing only with "HOUSE MONEY / MONEY WON"
    generally by the 4th roll I have all my money off the table and have only house money working for me
    when that happens and it happens a lot they can't beat me
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Sep 22, 2016

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    I don't think any specific strategy is right for every individual.

    Pressing and regression is essential, when and how, is usually a design of a win goal / loss limit.....risk / reward.

    The progression / regression I play is designed to reward me with smaller wins, at a higher bankroll risk. Many play just the opposite though, smaller bankroll, larger win goal, resulting in more small losses.

    To construct the strategy that has the best chance of success for what you desire out of the session, requires stating those parameters, then doing the probability analysis for that scenario. That is often done with a simulation, or rather many simulations.....to tweak it to your individual comfort level.

    I wish there was a "simple" one line answer, but if there is, I don't have it. :)
     
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  15. James Hall, Sep 22, 2016

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    all of this depends entirely on how many numbers are thrown , what those numbers are / repeaters etc.
    and how you bet them
    sounds silly but that is what we have to deal with
    I have been practicing a controlled throw for years and have been doing quite well with it

    under certain circumstances , the table bounce characteristic being right I can usually count on certain numbers coming up with more regularity than others

    On a table that has bounce characteristic very similar to mine I will get more 6s and 7s so my betting strategies will be centered around those numbers

    other times I may be seeing other numbers , I will alter my betting strategy to capitalize on those numbers I call that "BETTING WHAT THE TABLE GIVES ME"

    I try to practice everyday and I write down every number I throw , by doing this I gain a certain constancy of numbers I can count on
    and I bet accordingly
     
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  16. betwthelines, Sep 22, 2016

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    you can spin it anyway you want, but you just lost $500 of your money, pal

    tom p
     
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    Yep, the only way you can really say you only lost $5, is if the casino had a cumulative proposition bet on the hard ways, similar to the fire bet. And you had no choice of regressing the bet along the way.

    But, I guess if you have a mental construct that makes your bet that way in your mind....well, maybe. :)
     
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  18. betwthelines, Sep 22, 2016

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    yes, this is true...

    however in my post i did not mean to minimize the fact that telling yourself that you only lost $5 and not the actual $500 that you in fact did lose offers a tremendous amount of psychological succor...

    there is in fact great value in this psychological assuagement, is quite understandable, does absolutely zero harm to anyone other than yourself...

    my small point was merely that such rationalization is simply "spin"...

    tom p
     
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    Oh, I agree, anytime I hear someone say they are playing with house money.....naww, it's your money once it's in your rack!
     
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  20. James Hall, Sep 22, 2016

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    there are two ways to view that situation , people who view money won before the session is over as theirs
    and those who view that money as house money
    the ones who view that money as theirs have a rather twisted way of looking at it in as much as they are inconsistent with their view
    they buy in for $200 they get ahead by $500 they now possess a total of $700 they lose the winnings plus their buy in
    do they feel that they have lost $700 or just the $200??
    generally they consider that a $200 loss
    What say you??
     
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