# Playing the numbers

Discussion in 'Prop Bets & Side Bets' started by onetime77, Jan 11, 2009.

1. Southern-Comfort, Apr 18, 2011

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Easiest way to describe the field roll set is
place them so that the three and four are your axle numbers, kissing each ther, with the others all doubles. Since the six and eight aren't field you are trying to eliminate them.
This is definitely an advanced set as there are more possible seven outs and you really need to be able to avoid double-pitching and keep them on axis.
I wouldn't recommend it as a set used for all throws.

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2. Leo4528, Jan 31, 2014

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I've never played craps before ... Actually I'm more a <spam link removed> person. But it is really fun, I will come again.

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3. Grizzoola, Jan 31, 2014

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FWIW, craps, like all gambling, is basically the same as bingo. You pick your number(s) and if they hit, you win; if they don't, you lose. With craps, it's not just choosing a number, but choosing that number according to the probabilities of a number turning up on any one roll of the dice, and also the amount the casino takes out of your win, called the "house edge/advantage." There are websites, books, and articles that will tell you all you need to know about probabilities and house edges/advantages (HEs/HAs), and various bets to make/avoid according to that advice. The rest is up to you.

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4. Grizzoola, Jan 31, 2014

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I was new to gambling & never played craps before, too. The first thing I did was buy the book by Richard Orlyn, "No Nonsense Craps," available on Amazon. It's a small book, costs less than \$15, but I read it before approaching my 1st craps table. There are some websites to read, also. Maybe search "craps" on Google. You must do some reading before starting to play. You'll save a lot of time by not having to ask questions like you just asked. Good luck. ;-)

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5. TDVegas, Feb 6, 2014

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If your sole purpose in playing is to win, the best strategy is don't pass with max odds. Slightly better than pass with odds but minuscule. If you are there for enjoyment only and expect to lose, then make whatever bets you'd like---numbers, prop bets, hard way, etc.

You can drop the house edge to about .33% playing pass or don't pass with odds. That's less than 1%. Some prop bets have a house edge of 10%-17%, generally sucker bets.

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6. KokomoJoe4, Feb 6, 2014

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It could be argued that playing the DP and/or DC without odds is a better way to go for the player without a very large bankroll. The reason being, of course, that the mega odds needed on a larger bet will wipe you out quickly if the point numbers are repeating.

But you are correct that laying the maximum odds, statistically speaking, is best.

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7. The Midnight Skulker, Feb 6, 2014

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Maximum odds is the best strategy in the long run. Odds increase variance (= bankroll fluctuation) without affecting expectation. Hence, when playing a game with a negative expectation, variance is your friend for it allows you to deviate from expectation and therefore win. Unfortunately, variance is a double-edged sword: it can also allow you to lose more. Each player must balance playing time against profit potential when deciding how much odds to take/lay.

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8. TDVegas, Feb 6, 2014

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I'm not necessarily suggesting he play max odds. A short losing streak can wipe you out quickly. If you are visiting, looking for some fun and want your bankroll to last, then play pass or don't pass with 1x odds. The only problem with those bets is that in all liklihood you will just seesaw for a couple hours ending up \$20 or down \$20. Pass and don't pass have a low house edge but I find the variance to be a lot less than, say playing blackjack where a decent shuffle can send you on a nice run. Craps will find you winning 1, losing 1. Winning 3, losing 1, losing 3, winning 1. It's the nature of the dice. Far different than a card shuffle.

If you lose overall on the don't pass you're losing because the come out roll likely got you...in theory. Dont pass is a nice bet simply because if you can get past the come out roll, you have the edge over the house. That's a nice psychological feeling if you want to add odds. You may incur some stares for playing against the table but it's your money, your play, and you can do whatever you want. Don't let others dictate how you should play.

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9. TDVegas, Feb 12, 2014

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That is simply not true.#1, you can't "beat" the odds. #2, pass and don't pass bets have better odds even without taking odds.
Place 6,8 is house edge of 1.52%
Pass line bet is 1.41%, which can be lowered below 1% by taking odds.
Don't pass is 1.36%, which can also be lowered below 1% by taking odds.

By not making a pass line bet, you will miss a lot of 7,11 winners on the come out roll. That is what gives the house their edge over don't pass bettors.

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10. basicstrategy777, Feb 12, 2014

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In fact, your last sentence is not quite correct. The reason the house has an advantage over Don't Pass bettors is not because of 7/11 winners........The reason is because of the elimination of 25% of Don't winning numbers on the comeout.

The Right side odds to win on the comeout is .492929..........This must mean the converse of this number is the chance the Don't side has to win, which is .507070

The casino can never have a bet where it is at a disadvantage. Hence, to swing back the odds to its favor it eliminates a 2 or 12 as a winning craps number.

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11. SevenOut, Feb 19, 2014

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The only sidebets I really play are 8 and 9. I believe they have the highest probability of being rolled next to a 7. Every now and then, I'll bet on the hard numbers of the point. So if the point is 6... I'll bet on the hard six the entire time because there is a 1 and 3 chance that the next 6 rolled will be the hard 6. (combos of 5,1 4,2 and 3,3).
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Do you ever leave with any money? If so, keep doing it. If not, you can expand your game by following the thousand excellent posts to develop any game strategy that looks worthy of testing out at home or at an active table. The table of a pair of Dice Outcomes should be MEMORIZED. Or at least one half, as both halves are mirror images.

Once you have figured out the MATHEMATICS OF CRAPS... then take on the other aspects of the game, which require much more skills to understand.

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12. KokomoJoe4, Feb 19, 2014

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Seven Out,

In your striking pictorial, I am unable to properly visualize what appears to be either an accessory respiratory device or a beverage container. Hope you are well. If it is the latter, I am hoping the label is either 'Coors' or 'Grain Belt', both hometown beverages of sorts.

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13. SevenOut, Feb 19, 2014

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Actually, this is decent Mexican Beer, Tecate from Costco. I try not to drink beers that I can spell or pronounce the names or have any idea if it is any good or not. A sleeping beer taster. This Alaskan assorted beer case from Costco was not too bad either. Don't tell me it is made by Budweiser... I will feel cheated.

This photo I used on another Forum as my official portrait... and it was determined to be disgusting and immoral. I substituted then a photo of myself panning for Gold near Fairplay, Colorado. I would have liked a photograph of shooting Craps at a Casino to see what kind of lashing I would have received, as well, but had none to offer. If they thought this was indecent... I could produce a photo with a Full Moon rising above the passenger's door with the window open. Hmmm you have me thinking. Options.

You know... "What is the difference between a Politician and a Gold Miner. The Gold Miner is THE LIAR standing next to a hole in the ground." A slight update of wise words of Mark Twain... my "Sarcasm" Guru, if you remember the "Sarcasm IS Necessary" threads... Those were fun... days.

My youngest daughter finished a medical degree and saw a photograph of her older sister having a milk bottle propped up by a small pillow in her carrying, whatever you call it, and called it bad. Bottle Propping. Well... this is the result of getting the finger wagging. Bottle Propping while camped in western Utah...forty miles west of Delta, Utah to be exact. It worked for a youngster, it works for an old guy as well.

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14. KokomoJoe4, Oct 9, 2015

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Using Martian math, perhaps this is correct.

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15. DeMango, Oct 9, 2015

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Sometimes it's great employing the wayback machine and reading the ignorant posts! Those people in most cases do not post anymore. Wonder why?

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16. random_roller, Nov 9, 2015

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Martian math -- is that what's used by politicians and their campaign/budget advisors?

5-1, 1-5, 4-2, 2-4, 3-3. Unless Martian dice are different.

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18. Mssthis1, Feb 7, 2019

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That may be the same guy who posted on another forum that there's two ways to make a hard six. First way is left die 3 and right die 3. Second way is right die 3, left die 3.

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19. TDVegas, Feb 7, 2019

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If that’s the case...I would like to change my betting strategy to nothing more than hopping the hard 6

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