Place Or Hardway Pressure

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Night Attack, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. James Hall, Jul 16, 2018

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    Try winning without them
     
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  2. The Midnight Skulker, Jul 16, 2018

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    You are most certainly on a slippery slope, and by now you should know there is no such thing as luck to save you. Insider Responding was recently made a federal misnomer, punishable by tar and feathering (goat skin coat sold separately), a 200 Rwandan franc fine, a 30-minute denial of forum resources, or any combination thereof.

     
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  3. tabletop123, Jul 16, 2018

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    If Black Jack is not a game of skill, why are Card Counters constantly being banned from Casinos?
     
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  4. tabletop123, Jul 16, 2018

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    Good Poker players do it all of the time. Its called " Bluffing"!!!!
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Jul 16, 2018

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    Most card counters have bad breath?
     
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  6. Twelve4s, Jul 16, 2018

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    So does James, every post he makes. Over 10,000 bluffs and counting!
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Jul 16, 2018

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    I'm guessing it's the skunk hats.
     
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  8. lone irish digit, Jul 16, 2018

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    This is Barney,

    You are most very smartest Sulker personage. Mr Halls is stepping in the cowshits on this one. Some of the very bestest poker players have bought the LIDs skunkhats in effort to improve skills and mess with other players. One of his most recent buyers of the skunkhat played in the WSOP for the 2018 year and he was on the tvs. Guess who won the cheese.


    Thanky you very much




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  9. tabletop123, Jul 16, 2018

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    Lol
     
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  10. James Hall, Jul 16, 2018

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    Accused by whom?
    If you mean by me I would take a bunch of that
    James was at one time till I found out that
    craps is more beatable
     
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  11. James Hall, Jul 16, 2018

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    Poker , blackjack and craps all have one thing in common .
    You bet on the outcome , that's where some skill is involved in
    all three games . Where they differ is , in the fact
    that no amount of skill on the part of the poker player
    will ever be able to produce a better hand of cards
    that portion of the game is random chance
    The player is devoid of any skill by which he has any
    possibility of producing a better hand
    Now we get down to the part of the game that matters
    the skill part , the part where the player , produces his hand ,
    the part where he can have some control , The SHOOTER
    thru his toss delivers the outcome on which all the players bet
    In craps you have 2 areas of skill to utilize rather than just the one
    craps is the better game , the game of skill , the most beatable game of the three
    Because with craps , if you learn that second skill set it broadens the opportunity
    to win several fold .
     
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  12. Edward-ky, Jul 17, 2018

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    There is no proof of any skill being in craps. Your opinion there is skill in it but no real scientific proof in it other than people that are attempting it or selling and teaching classes on it saying it works. Now i know what your redponse will be is fly to mesa and observe but who is going to spend the money to go there and observe something that probably wouldnt prove a thing. I just assume take that money and place the six. Now there are people on here that live in vegas and you go to vegas as you say why isbit that someone cant just meet you in vegas to observe. Like random and liman met and played some craps. Random met koko and played craps. I have met random and played craps. And others have met and played craps.
     
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  13. random_roller, Jul 17, 2018

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    Apparently you have never played Pai Gow Poker. An expert player and a casual player will likely set the 2 card & 5 card hands differently up to @42% of the time (e.g., on hands other than high card or 1 pair w/o a straight) -- especially the more difficult / unusual scenarios -- giving the expert player a theoretical advantage. Also, the expert player is probably not going to get tripped up on the most basic of errors while playing Pai Gow Poker -- failing to set the 5 card hand better than the 2 card hand, which the casual player often does at least 1x per shoe.

    So the expert player will get the most out of the cards he/she is dealt in Pai Gow Poker by deploying optimal setting. Often this requires making certain sets -- akin to hitting on 16 when the dealer has a 10 showing in Blackjack, which will likely result in a bust but is still better than standing (slightly less likely to lose) -- in order to select the least "bad" play. The same cannot be said for the casual player, who doesn't understand the finer aspects of the game.
     
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  14. tabletop123, Jul 17, 2018

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    James Pre-post reply: I have repeatedly told you idiots that I don't need to frequent Vegas in order to play Craps. My home table replicates the bounce characteristics of the tables in Vegas, so I don't need to leave the keyboard/house in order to win money. My home Casino chips also replicate the chips in the Vegas Casinos, so.....ONCE AGAIN....no need to leave the house. I'm making money at home.

    You guys need to pay attention to what I post. ( LTPAOQ) Learn to pay attention or Quit!!!!
     
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  15. James Hall, Jul 17, 2018

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    Good advice
     
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  16. James Hall, Jul 17, 2018

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    Even with card counting blackjack is a guessing game
    There is no way to control what comes out of the shoe
    without better cards than the dealer is dealt you are going to lose
    card counting does not make it possible to win the hand
    it affects only that one area of skill , BETTING
    You must first WIN the hand before card counting is of any value

    You can count cards till you are BLUE IN THE FACE if
    you aren't getting the better cards you are going to lose the hand
    and there is not a blackjack player on this earth who has
    the skill to get better cards

    The great tragedy is , there a many many craps players
    who labor under the misconception that they too are faced with that same dilemma , the think the have no way to produce suitable numbers

    Yep CRAPS is a much better game for the savvy player
     
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  17. James Hall, Jul 17, 2018

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    You have seen the proof many times yourself ,
    You and others LIKE YOU call that proof , "A GOOD SHOOTER"
    TDevious is even more in denial than you are , he likes to call the proof
    "VARIANCE" thus skirting reality and denying reality
     
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  18. TDVegas, Jul 17, 2018

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    If you want to call every hand longer than the expected 8.5....the result of dice influence or a "good shooter"...be my guest.

    It's not even flimsy proof.

    Dismissing variance out of hand tells me you either have very little experience around the game of craps or you are simply, consciously dismissing the word variance from craps.

    For you, eliminating variance as a part of the game leaves only one other possibility for a dice roll that exceeds expectation...dice influence.

    For someone who thinks poker is simply decided by who has the better cards...I'm not surprised by your ideas, however ridiculous they are.
     
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  19. James Hall, Jul 17, 2018

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    The best cards win more times by far than the worst cards
    The more important point is the fact that the best players in the
    entire world have no control over what cards he does get
    That is strictly chance , no skill there so
    generally the guy who gets the better cards wins
    No amount of skill possessed by a craps player can produce better hands
     
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  20. TDVegas, Jul 17, 2018

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    If this were true....you would not see the same players who make it to the final tables in poker tournaments, the same guys who win multiple tournaments and those same guys on the top of money winnings.

    If just being dealt better cards was the main criteria for winning....you would not see the same guys on top. There has to be something else. There is. Skill.
     
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