pad under cloth makes bouncing table

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  1. thundarr blackstar, Nov 5, 2017

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    recently the Tropicana in Evansville Indiana put new craps table in when they moved to land and their is some kind of pad that is either under the cloth or part of the cloth that makes the dice bounce a lot . has anyone heard of this or experienced it someplace else. is the pad part of the cloth or an underlayment .if its a underlayment it would have to be very thin '
     
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  2. tabletop123, Nov 5, 2017

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    One eighth inch closed cell foam. Thwarts the attempt to influence the dice, & does a damned good job of it too! It's a very thin layer, but boy, oh boy do those dice bounce around.
    It's always: " Toss softer", lower your trajectory from the "Schools", Gurus. Ya ain't gonna beat closed cell foam unless ya get lucky......end of story!
     
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    tabletop do you know if it is a underlayment or part of the felt
     
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    Underlayment! These companies that sell Crap layouts also sell,the closed cell foam. I initially had closed cell foam on one end of my table, but took it off many years ago. If ya think Dice Influencing is a hoax......Closed cell foam will REALLY reinforce that belief!
     
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    thank you tabletop .someone at the casino said if you throw a chip it will dig into the foam and go backwards . so I got thinking and thought what if I tossed the dice with a strong back spin into the foam . would the dice dig in and continue then slow down ? I to own my own 14 ft table
     
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  6. Dave G Ct, Nov 5, 2017

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    Just use the All Sevens Set and toss into the bend.
     
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    :D:D:D There is just no way, this guy is for real, no way. :D:D:D:cool:. If they do, what will they roll Dave?:)
     
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    I am for real .just wondering if their is a way to master the foam
     
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  9. Dave G Ct, Nov 5, 2017

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    You will break up the 7' s on each axle. As long as you don't roll a seven.Plus it is an easy shot that even the no talents can use.SRT Friendly!!
     
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    I'm sure I'm not the best one to ask, but I doubt if you can do much, with a throw the casino will except. You got to be carful what you believe, there are some guys that think they can influence the bubble dice, and I can guarantee you, there is no damn way, but they will swear up and down that they can. I believe some of the "normal" dice guys are about as realistic as the bubble DIs, but there could be a "real McCoy" or two amongst them. Very difficult thing to sort out. Myself, no control at all. :)
     
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    You are the "TOPS" Dave, How do I "unroll" the 7? :) :cool:.
     
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    You will break up the 7's as long as you don't roll a Seven? THAT is pretty profound! Lol
     
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    James hall may knight him with statement.
     
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    Top is correct, keep em low. I use an underhand toss on layouts like that. If your dice get above the rail they are way too high.

    backspin doesn't help. if they don't land perfectly square to the table the dice will roll off sideways like a sliced or hooked golf shot instead of straight towards the back wall.
     
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    Casinos will use many tricks on their craps tables. I have seen some put news papers under the layout. I have seen some put new layouts on top of old to affect the bounce. I have seen some put different cloth foam in small rectangular shape under the layout that look like a chess board. They can use anything they want and do anything they want. It's their casino and it's their tables.

    What you have to do is learn how to recognize and adjust. Sometimes you will see different bounce characteristics from one table to the other in the SAME casino.
     
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    I believe they are using more rubbery underlays because a lot of casinos are now putting electromagnets under the tables, and the dice have microscopic metal discs scattered throughout the plastic and the casino can control what numbers will appear to a certain degree of accuracy using the magnets.
    Take has been down, they have to come up with new ways to make money.

    after the magnets, they are going to start charging for drinks on the casino floor.

    After that, each stall in restrooms will have a dollar admission fee, have a bill taker similar to a slot machine.
     
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    Will the money you deposit in the stalls go toward your comps?
     
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    SPOT ON , very , very hard to win on , I avoid them altogether
     
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    I have experienced especially “bouncy” tables in Mississippi and Bossier City/Shreveport.
    One just has to adapt, throw lower and go with the numbers coming up. I had to change to a modified iron cross. Modified in that I go 3-4 hits (field or 5,6,8), then pull down and max odds on the line. When this doesn’t work - I walk away and enjoy the scenery and have a drink.
    Lineman, I find it hard to believe the casinos can get away with magnets. Not saying they don’t - if they do they’d have to set the 7 and one could go dark.
    Tough call but Craps s all about adapting to what the table gives and knowing when it’s time for a break!
    Love this site and the slightly opinionated individuals who frequent these hallowed pages - ha!!!
    7 Out!
     
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