Opening an EMPTY CRAPS TABLE- for the FIRST TIME!

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  1. Liman

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    I was reading the complaints about all the people at tables that are undesirables, my point is anywhere in public places there are undesirables that can and will ruin a lot of peoples fun/entertainment.
    what can we do?
    sort of went out on a tangent there, sorry.

    I open bubble craps banks all the time.(banks of seats), really don't open it, it never stops, I just jump on when the next point comes out.
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, Jul 29, 2014

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    Liman -

    YOU and a vast majority of people go to the casino for " fun/entertainment " -

    And with a certain amount of money - you " Expect / can afford to lose " -

    In MY MIND -

    THAT is NEGATIVE EXPECTATION -

    With THAT attitude YOU ALREADY LOST -

    When I go to the casino - I go to " work " - not to " play " -

    I have not played BJ in a number of years - am rusty on the ' system ' - as a result I will NOT play until I am TOTALLY proficient with same -

    Craps - in MY opinion - is NOT a random game / game of chance -

    WHAT can WE do -

    YOU play Bubble Craps -

    I will play REAL craps - limiting my daily intake of Assholes, Jerk-Off, Idiots and Morons to - hopefully - a select FEW !

    In other words -

    YOU go YOUR way -

    I will go MY WAY !

    And maybe, someday, we just might meet, and I'll take you up on that steak dinner ! :)

    $...eE..$
     
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  3. Grizzoola, Aug 28, 2014

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    I've edited 7Out's post to the points I'm replying to. I've "opened" craps tables and have walked up to tables with only 1 or 2 other players. I suppose the number of times I've done this are not more than 10, if that. I doubt there will be another time.

    Why? My play at an empty table or with 1 or 2 other players has not been good for me. I don't know why. My BR seems to empty much faster at those tables than with a more populated table. I'm not talking about tables where people are crammed together. I don't care for those, either. But, a table with 2 or 3 good openings is what I prefer.

    I'm getting to the point of theorizing that there's a reason a table is empty or with 1 or 2 players, other than that it may be the time of day/night. The reason is that the table has gone cold; it has wiped out whoever was there before. At least with many players at a table, you know it's doing some good for someone, otherwise, no one would be sticking around.

    My $100 BR was wiped out in 15 min. last night at a "cold" table. There were 2 other players when I bought in, then one, then just me. This has seemed to be the case in other experiences I've had with such tables. Yes, I normally buy in for $200, but even with a $200 BR, the way things were going, $85 lost in 15 min., I probably would have colored up, anyway.

    Maybe it's just a matter of time perception: it takes longer to go broke at a more populated table than a less populated one. Any more it equates to: The fewer the players, the less time it takes to go broke. I am prepared to try "empty" tables once more, hoping the outcome will be different, but right now, I'm pretty gun-shy of "empty" tables.
     
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  4. basicstrategy777, Aug 28, 2014

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    Your time at the table, your wins and losses, and your comps are different when you are at a full table verses when you are by yourself or one other player.

    When you don't have to bet or the frequency of your bets are different.....it affects everything.

    777
     
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  5. BigBen, Aug 28, 2014

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    Personally, I have no issues whatsoever in opening a table by myself.
    USUALLY, if you open a $25 or higher table, it'll give you more opportunities to shoot, AND most likely eliminate some of the nonsense bets & bettors ESPECIALLY tons of Prop bets.

    For me in a perfect world, there's be MAYBE 3 people at the table, with the landing zone clear.
    This gives you a nice short time in between shooters, to reflect on your previous Hand, and to prepare for your next Hand.


    Just a few more thoughts...
    BB
     
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    Awesome post indeed.. Thanks for sharing it out..Hope you dont mind posting in bit old thread and please sharing such nice stuff..
     
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  7. rudeboy99, Sep 14, 2014

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    This is in reference to several earlier posts concerning shortening up the table by putting a "bump"( that's what we call that board that cuts the game down) so one dealer can handle all the action. I have worked a few different "tubs" here in No. Nevada. Personally, I don't like to work them as if the game gets busy, the dealer has a hard time maintaining game protection, a lot of past posting and bet pinching occurs, so the dealer or floor boss has to delegate one surveillance guy just to keep an eye on things. Also, if you are a DC, it's a lot easier on a shortened game.
     
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  8. way out, Oct 9, 2014

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    I have been in one casino at an empty table trying to decide if I wanted to forge ahead. Well, a minute later another player showed and started throwing the dice. I wondered if this was a shill or a set up then.
     
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    Im sure you realize you seem to lose faster at empty tables because the dealers are only paying one or two people, they move the dice much faster and you get a lot more decisions.
    and if the table is cold, the 15 or 20 rolls that wipes you out, it happens in a heartbeat.
     
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  10. basicstrategy777, Oct 9, 2014

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    Your comps are less too, because the time at the table is likely shorter.

    The dice controllers probably love it because they handle the dice much more frequently and can roll their numbers and make a killing. They are probably all at the empty tables and thats we we don't see many of them.

    777
     
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  11. The Comeback Kid, Oct 9, 2014

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    What?....What????? Your slipping Basic. Missed an apostrophe between the t & s.

    Way Out, you're not so way out.
    The enemy is everywhere. Here's how to know for sure.

    Last night's final episode of Hostage re: Netflix revealed the sly technique.
    (More twists and turns than a bowl of wet noodles. Comeback review 2-1/2 broken thumbs up)

    Bad guy posing as FBI agent, setting up mega ambush - crew of 5 on the outside. The music dripping with suspense. Our hero has suspicions (he feels things: like you) so he says "call in back up & tell them we've got a 735!

    Bad guy goes "I'm on it" and runs out. Next scene our hero comes up behind, locked 'n loaded with his standard issue to his head, and asks,

    "Just what is a 735, 'cause I just made that up?"

    If you feel he's the owner's unemployed brother-in-law posing as a shill, look him straight in the eyes, watch his reaction, and ask firmly; do you really want to lay that come bet?

    You can thank me later...
     
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  12. basicstrategy777, Oct 9, 2014

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    Comeback........for sure.......I'll have what you're having.

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    play


    play at 9am, best chance to see di guys on empty tables.
     
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  14. way out, Oct 9, 2014

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    thanks for your input. I have played at some casinos and been given the gears for the way I handle the dice. usually happens when I am rolling some points.
     
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  15. rudeboy99, Oct 9, 2014

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    Yeah, playing solo, the game pace is elevated significantly. That means if you're losing, it'll happen that much faster...BUT!! if you're on a semi-heater, you rack up the profits at a more rapid rate.
     
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  17. way out, Oct 10, 2014

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    thanks so much for your feed here. yes I get uncomfortable when I'm criticized for rubbing the dice on the felt or holding them in the wrong way. have argued with the side dealer before. most casinos don't give me a hard time. is this a ploy to get me out of a rhythm thing?
     
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  18. SevenOut, Oct 10, 2014

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    Way Out... you get criticized for rubbing the dice on the felt or holding them the wrong way. ??

    When you are shooting... they can stuff a sock up it and wait their turn, then you can have your fun.

    These are the same people who criticize someone who is "shooting" at a Bubble Craps game. Small minds have little else to work with when their brains get scrambled playing Craps.

    Shoot your way. If you win, they will shut their traps. If you lose... well, maybe you are a lousy shooter.

    (Just kidding. Do not take everything seriously. Go to Downtown Las Vegas and shoot Craps at he Binon's Horseshoe Club if you want to hear some critics. After that session, your skin will be as thick as mine. Play the $2 table. It attracts the best critics in Las Vegas. Winning or Losing.)
     
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  19. rudeboy99, Oct 10, 2014

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    Basically, the table crew doesn't give a shizzit what your pre-roll routine is as long as a) you don't willfully slow the table pace to a crawl, b) you get a bounce off the felt, & c) both dice strike the back wall. On the other hand, if you are on a semi-heater, I see boxmen ragging the shooter sometimes and I feel the reason is EXACTLY as you've already flipped to...they are trying to upset your rhythm, distract you...maybe an ego thing? My advice? Ignore the pr**ks and focus on continuing your "hand" and the state of your betting action on the layout.:cool:
     
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  20. $nakeEye$, Oct 10, 2014

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    I have seen box people chastise the shooter for ' rubbing the dice on the felt ' -

    I assume this can be associated with ' burning the dice ' -

    As if done hard enough could cause friction on the surface of the dice in contact with the layout -

    Generally, a lot of shenanigans is tolerated by the craps staff and pit -

    EXCEPT - that old familiar battle-cry -

    " BOTH dice HAVE to HIT the BACK WALL " !

    $...eE..$
     
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