Opening an EMPTY CRAPS TABLE- for the FIRST TIME!

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  1. SevenOut, Jul 26, 2014

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    I've found a lot of places in No. Nevada that have only a 1/2 table open in the morning. How does this fit the discussion?
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    Knuckle Bumping. When you are the only player in Reno or Sparks for that matter, maybe you knuckle bump yourself. This would make the comment fit the conversation... doesn't it?

    Which half side of the table is open for a player? I find that the left side of the table, from the player's perspective facing the table, seems to be the most common. (Just thought I would make up something to move things along.) Many Craps Players have never seen a 12 or 14 foot table with a board placed to shorten the table for slow times and one dealer.

    As a Thread spins out of new ideas, the conversations will wander as well.

    The "half" table would be a misnomer as you are excluding some center table wagers. It is probably more a 2/3rds table to include the Hard 10 and Hard 4. The next time I see them remove the board... I want to see where it is kept. Now, that would be new information. I no longer have a 12 or 14 foot Craps Table... but the extra foot on each end of the 14 foot table is more blank green space on each end. You are getting more cloth, but the 12 foot silk screening centered to the table is the same for either length of table. Someone step in and correct me if I am wrong.

    Dealer Procedure on an EMPTY Craps Table:

    I will have to defer to rudeboy99... but I have seen this occur on an empty table. I will have to run through my Dealer Manuals to see if it is also mentioned as an "oddity of opening a Craps Table".

    When you are the one and only player, you do not have to make a Pass Line or Don't Pass Line wager to SHOOT. This is a GREAT technicality at an EMPTY Craps Table! You must make a bet... anything to be able to shoot, but not necessarily the standard requirement of making a contract wager to secure the dice to shoot. This came up at Craps Dealing School for Harrah's in Missouri. Think about it... Lets say you only play Hardways when you play. You cannot ask a Dealer to shoot. You cannot pull someone off a Black Jack Table to shoot... as they would have to have a contract bet Pass or Don't Pass wager to shoot the dice.

    Want to have fun when you walk up to an empty table? Make some Place Bets and Hard Ways... and see if they accept them and let you shoot the dice... tell us how it went. At first your end dealer will be a bit confused... as this probably has never happened before. There is no Boxman to approve it. The Pit Boss is probably wandered off somewhere and if you have a stickman and a second dealer... watch their expressions! Totally legal and legitimate. Not any different than making a PUT BET, skipping the Come outcome!
     
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  2. $nakeEye$, Jul 26, 2014

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    Interesting concept -

    Heading to AC, NJ in the morning -

    Will endeavor to try your - NO P/L wager concept at an empty table there -

    BUT - I doubt that it will fly !

    Let you know regards the outcome !

    $...eE..$
     
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    $nakeEye$, SevenOut;

    Interesting concept >>> "definitely".

    I'll have to give it a try on my next "empty Table" encounter.

    Previously used my standard ploy at a $10.00 table... :" I'm the only one here, how about a $5.00 table..." .

    To which they would reply NO!... and then after a minute or two (with no play) ...

    they come back with: "We will ask the table game manager on duty..." .

    After a brief visit..., with me arguing (presenting a proposition): "you could always raise it back up to $10.00 again if any other player joins in at the table"

    To which: 90% of the time they say O.K.... .

    Now, to try this new ploy ???. .... very interesting.

    Obie1

     
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  4. SevenOut, Jul 27, 2014

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    Although this next Craps Table technicality belongs in the Dealer Procedures... I do not recall where that original Thread would be found. It can occur if you are the only player to be at the table.

    Craps Tables have their Table Minimum and Maximum wager posted on the removable card below the end dealers. The Casino has determined slow times and in order to attract players... offer a lower minimum wager and it also comes with a lower maximum. At a predetermined time, the card is flipped to the higher minimums.

    Lets say the table is going from a $5 to a $10, or $10 to $25 while you are playing by yourself or a full table. If you were playing BEFORE the card was flipped to the higher minimum... you are "grandfathered" to the lower minimum. If you keep playing with the minimum... you are OK. You increase your minimum flat bet you lose that quirk in table protocol. Any new players will be required to wager the new minimum. You step off the table... you lose the grandfather aspect of the changing minimum.

    When this occurs... keep to your original flat bets on the Pass or Don't Pass. Where it gets "fuzzy" is if you have a $5 flat bet for the Pass and the Come and $10/$12 Place Bets... (This is with the $5 to $10 minimum increase.)

    Not a big deal, but you can ask the end dealer when the change occurs. Just another anomaly of playing Craps.
     
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    FYI: Grandfathering is not done in AC. I remember it in Vegas.

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  6. packerfan, Jul 27, 2014

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    When Potawatomi (Milwaukee) raises their table minimums from $5 to $10 they announce that the change will occur at the next new shooter. When the present shooter 7's out then all players have to pony up the extra $5.
     
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  7. The Comeback Kid, Jul 27, 2014

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    Mohegan Sun PA (Wilkes Barre) allows "grandfathering".
    And it's so nice.

    Not sure about CT.
     
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  8. February 31st, Jul 27, 2014

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    IMO, Besides the differential, another way to insure your $5 Place bet on the comeout (only) is to make a $1 or 2 dollar bet on the "C" (craps). then if you do get that 2, 3, or 12 you lose your 5, but get $4 or 8 back respectively. If you get your 7, 11 or any other number, you've only lost your $1 or $2.
     
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    Problem with an open table, I often go in only with a small bank roll. If I'm on a table with some others I can wait and watch to see how the dice are playing. by myself, however,a cold set of dice will eat up my small bankroll quickly.
     
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  10. $nakeEye$, Jul 28, 2014

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    Obie1 -

    Dateline AC, NJ 7/28/14 Caesar's, 10AM -

    Stayed O/N at S/B - checked out early - went downstairs - 1 table open - $5 - linda and I B/I SR-1 / SR-2 -

    On a nice roll - 3 to the F/B - about $300 - $400 on the table -

    I saw him coming - walks up to the table at @ SL-3 - I was set to shoot - the dice were on the table - contemplated " Turn me OFF " -
    opted to set and shoot instead - Jerk-Off throws a wad od $20's onto the table as dice are mid air - and hits the dice with the wad of bills -
    7-out is the call -

    Color coming in as Linda and I run away from this joint -

    Caesar's is next -

    1 $10 table open / 1 $25 table -

    Opt for the $10 table as our spots are open -

    After a round or 2 around the table - table fills up with the usual a$$hole$ -

    Go to the vacant $25 table and have a few rounds between her and I -

    THEN THEY decide to drop table min from $25 to $10 -

    I said WTF is this sh*t -

    I came HERE to avoid those JO's -

    Complaint fell on deaf ears -

    Guess the suits saw the $ in these idiots pockets and wanted to play " dry cleaner " !

    SO much for YOUR great idea ! :eek:

    $...eE..$
     
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  11. SevenOut, Jul 28, 2014

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    I prefer to play with the $5 and $10 player.

    Why? Because they are there to play Craps and not judge one another by bankroll. Those Craps players with the $200 to $300 bankroll are the most tested and savy Craps Players I have met.

    When working our two tables it was harder to beat the $5 and $10 players out of their bankrolls. We had to earn it. The Casino's offer very little in incentives to keep these players from working their Craps Tables. Because they are a tough, experienced crowd and less likely to keep digging deeper into the bankroll to win back losses.

    Now, lets consider the Whales... playing $25 and $100 table minimums and $1000 and up bankrolls. They get the comps. Why? Because they are the chumps. They cover the losses the table encounters with the Army of $5 and $10 players! The small bankroll player will quit with $50 or $150 in winnings and be content. The Whale... they are not content to win... they want everyone know that they can lose and not feel the losses. And they keep coming back for ... more disappointment.

    We, $200 to $300 players. $50 in winnings is enough to call it a good day... and if we feel like it, come back in ten minutes or two months and not give it another thought. Comps, or not. We... just do not have Craps at the top of our list of things we HAVE to do. It is just a way to take a risk, win or lose, and call it the best we could do for that session and go back home and mow the lawn.
     
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  12. $nakeEye$, Jul 28, 2014

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    SevenOut -

    Thank You -

    I will leave the " savvy " $5 and $10 craps players with their $200 - $300 Bank Rolls who buy-in in the middle of rolls -

    To YOU !

    Yes - those morons are TOTALLY tough - well experienced - and have NO money in their pockets aside from their piddling buy-in !

    I, OTOH, will seek out the " Scum of the Casino " -

    Knowledgeable players who have respect for the game, themselves and others -

    People YOU would NOT know - nor be inclined to associate with !

    $...eE..$
     
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  13. SevenOut, Jul 29, 2014

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    We morons thank you for NOT playing at our table of choice. I see enough fake Rolexes and gold plated silver chain to last a lifetime at the $25 tables.

    I would have thought anyone living in New Jersey paying the outrageous real estate and incomes taxes would move their 20 year old trailer into another State to afford to play big time Craps.
     
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    Ouch! Sounds like I need to head back to the wooded hills of Ohio
     
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    snakeeyes, really?
    every other person who shoots randomly at a table in any casino is an asshole or jerkoff to you and your wife?
    You have decided that just by the way they toss the dice?
     
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  16. SevenOut, Jul 29, 2014

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    8DWU8... I have never been to New Jersey. I just meet former residents out West and they tell me why they left. I am sure New Jersey is a beautiful State. If I were not indigent... I would move my double wide next to SnakeEyes so we could brew some home brewed beer and eat some Raccoon BBQ. And if he needs to borrow some teeth to chew through the hide... I will loan him some that I won at a AC Casino.

    My Controlled Shooting Excellence, referred to as CSX to those not in the know, is keeping both dice on the table when shooting. Simple and not as easy as it seems. At an empty table there is no one on the other end to block its exit from the table. (I had to tie the response to the original theme of this Thread, somehow.)

    CSX, Controlled Shooting Excellence... it is listed on the Dow and is a very good investment. Check it out. You KNOW it is good when you can sell stock to we, idiots, morons and were scum of the Casino also included, or was that a local New Jersey complement?
     
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  17. $nakeEye$, Jul 29, 2014

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    Liman -

    Most times it does NOT even take a toss of the dice to ascertain what they are -

    Asshole , jerk-off, idiot, moron -

    Whatever -

    When THEY walk up to a table and have NO CLUE as to where the game is at -

    C/O roll, P/C roll - whatever - they are ignorant to the finesse' / rules of etiquette of the game -

    When THEY interrupt the shooter who has dice in hand and throw money on the table - they are one or all of the above -

    When THEY constantly make late bets when the shooter has the dice - they are one or all of the above -

    When THEY put their hands in the way of the landing area - they are one or all of the above -

    When THEY ROLL the dice on the table and the dice GO OFF the table - they are one or all of the above -

    When THEY argue over bets that THEY lost track of numerous rolls prior - they are one or all of the above -

    So Liman -

    In answer to YOUR question -

    NO - I / WE have determined - they are one or all of the above - by means and methods WAY BEYOND and BEFORE these rocket scientists even touch the dice !

    I am more than certain that the above will satisfy even your curiosity !

    $...eE..$
     
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    I believe you are slightly older than I am.(Im going to be 60 on my next birthday)
    what you describe is always going to be common place at any craps table, today, tomorrow, and for the next 100 years.
    theres always new players, inconsiderate players, drunks, etc........
    this is what craps is.
    The only solution for this is to play at 5:30 am on weekdays.
    Its no different anywhere else in the casino.
    No matter what fun or entertainment or gambling one desires, there are always plenty of people who will ruin your night or day because of the above mentioned reasons.
    Im sure you know this.
    there is no solution.

    its basically the way it is everywhere in public where people gather and usually where alcohol is served.
    I took my son when he was 6,(hes 32 now) to a ny met game. I wanted to introduce him to live stadium sports. I felt almost as if it was my duty as a father to take his son to his first live professional sporting event.
    2 groups of men in front of us starting arguing, fist fighting, I got hit with full cup of beer, and my son got showered by the same cup. the men fell over onto our seats(box seats in back of third base), onto my sons lap, he was screaming, I was just trying to get the people off of him.
    When the cops got there, I just said, yeah, all of them. They all got arrested.
    this is how it is, people are inconsiderate, not only in casinos.
    The casinos pushes alcohol, continuously, and they expect this behavior, even at the tables.
    whether its ignorance, or inconsideration, I expect it at any live table I go to.
    Its a good argument for more bubble craps as much as I know you despise bubble craps.
     
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  19. SevenOut, Jul 29, 2014

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    Liman... what does this have to do with Opening a Craps Table? You are describing Opening a Bubble Craps game. I hear they are pretty wild once two or more are playing.

    ... and since when do Bubble Craps players wear a baseball glove?

    NY Mets... they still have a team?
     
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  20. $nakeEye$, Jul 29, 2014

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    Liman -

    Bubble Craps is beginning to look better and better each day ! :eek:

    $...eE..$
     
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