Opening an EMPTY CRAPS TABLE- for the FIRST TIME!

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  1. SevenOut, Oct 16, 2013

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    An empty Craps table lacks only... a player. The dealers are casually talking among themselves and stand attentive to anything to resist boredom when the table is "off the grid". Craps dealing requires high energy and thick skined personnel. During the "off hours" there is always one table available. There may be no player in sight, but the dealers will rotate as usual and are waiting.. waiting for the FIRST player to step up to the table. Weekends and evenings attract Craps players in hordes. The hours from 3AM to 1PM can be quiet and considered dead time at many smaller Casinos.

    The majority of Craps Players avoid an empty table as if you can catch some deadly virus. Even a table with one, maybe two players will not attract the majority of players in hiding. I hate to admit it, a busy table shares the misery of losing. When you play at a full table, all of the players share the losses and share the wins, alike. It is difficult to High Five on a big win, when you are the only player... A crowded table is able to conceal the best of players and the worst.

    For the vast majority of Craps Players, and I say this not from loitering around the Craps pit to observe individuals circling the pit waiting... and waiting for the First Player to buy in and watch the Stick push the five dies and call Dice Are Out. Or... We have a shooter! But from walking up to an empty table, drop my $200/$300 and buy in. The dealers pull out chips from the table's bank according to the colors in the player's chip rack. With a $200 buy in, you will usually get two $25 chips, twenty nine $5 chips and five $1 chips on a $5 table. Since your green $25 chips are in the highest denomination in play, the dealer will stack ones, fives and twenty five dollar chips. Occasionally someone buys in for $1000 and less with black $100 chips, so the dealer will pull out some black chips. (This is all a bit of back ground information, as this is for those yet to experience every nuance in Craps dealer procedures).

    Once you place the Pass Line or Don't Pass minimum bet the Stick will push the five dies to you for the selection of two (Dark Side players can shoot to "win", there is no prohibition against one active shooter or 14 at a table to shoot with the House.) After this, there is nothing different in Dealer procedure nor how you play your game. It is all routine after this.

    What you will find as remarkable, and you will be a bit curious when it happens... other players begin to come out of their "hiding spots" behind the slot machines and loitering around watching Black jack action. No body wants to be the FIRST player to open a table.

    One advantage for being the First Player to open a table is you can take your time, play your game at your pace and if you LOSE, you get the dice right back. For those who profess to have Dice Influencing skills, now is the time to strut your stuff. You can set your dice and warm your arm up without anyone wanting to speed the game up. The dealers want you to last long enough to attract the bashful players out of their hiding places. And once the game begins, the bashful begin to arrive and quickly... if there are any waiting on the sidelines.

    I believe that the reluctance to be the First Player to open a table is just a lack of confidence to step up to a dead table, with the dealer's watching your every move. When I first began to shoot Craps... there was no way I was going to walk up to a dead table and start a game. I might have had a heart attack or just barfed up onto the cloth and left the Casino. At the beginning the pressure seems immense. So you loiter around some slot machine as if you are taking a break from a busy day beating the Casino out of their own money.

    The First Time you open a dead table... you have become a Craps Player, versus a player of Craps. Being able to gather the self confidence at an intimidating game as Craps, it requires to make this one big step... DO IT. You will recognize when you can step up, buy in and shoot without much thought as to who is watching and care less. You win, the stigma, and this is what I call it, is lifted off of you immediately. You lose, keep going until you have had enough self abuse, or your bankroll is depleted. The game goes as fast or as slow as you want. THIS IS YOUR TABLE, YOUR DOMAIN AND temporarily to take 100% responsibility of why you won, or why you lost. It is not an easy event in a Craps Players list of things to do for the First Time. You will get over this First Time and after making the "grade"... you can watch behind the slot machines and see if this, next First Shooter, either makes nothing out of it or is nervously taking his first steps of becoming a true Craps Player for the rest of his life.
     
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  2. Frank Scoblete, Oct 16, 2013

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    Really enjoyable post!
     
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  3. jkluv7, Oct 16, 2013

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    A VERY Good read, SevenOut !

    I will admit that I love being the first player to open a table and be the first to shoot to warm the hands and arm up.

    Jeffrey
     
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  4. Grizzoola, Oct 17, 2013

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    Yes, it is a good read, 7Out. I raised the same issue in my thread on table awareness. I've done some lurking, checking to see how full a table is before buying in.

    It's just the sense that I'll only lose faster if I play alone. I once played alone, getting wiped out in a short time. Makes me kind of leery. I guess it really makes no difference: The dice don't care how many are at the table. And, it doesn't matter who rolls them.

    On my next trip to the tables next week, I'll give an empty table another shot. Enough of the lurking. I'm there to play.

    Yet, in some ways it's like, "Do you want to drink by yourself, or with others?"
     
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  5. mycoalsmith, Oct 17, 2013

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    SevenOut, what you say is SOOOOOOOO true!!!

    In my "history" of playing Craps - which equates to about 1 1/2 years or less, I think I've only stepped up to ONE empty Craps table. I got to the casino around 10:00 A.M. and there is 1 table open but no shooters. I passed it by and played some Free Slot play I had and lurked back. Still no one was there. I thought at that time, I had read enough about Craps and had listened on how to shoot, that I could just walk up, plunk down my money, shoot and win. I played the Pass Line and set my dice for 7's, but I got a number that I think was 9. Easy enough, I figured, and put down odds and set my dice for doubles. 1 or two rolls, and the 7 came up. I set the dice for 7's again, and got some other number, put down my odds, and started rolling. Rolled several numbers before a 7 came up again. Getting frustrated, I put money on the Pass Line again and rolled. Again, even though I was trying for a 7 on the Come out roll, it didn't happen. I again put down odds and within a few rolls, the 7 reared it's head again. I was still the only player at this point - so I decided, okay then, I'll play the Don'ts. Put down my Don't bet, set my doubles and got a 6. Now I set for my seven roll. I rolled several numbers and yep, the 6 came up - another loser. At that point, I snuck away with my tail between my legs - the table crew never said a word other than they seemed surprised as well, that no matter what I did, I still lost. I didn't come back until other players were at the table.

    Being somewhat seasoned now - and sometimes I can roll good, and other times not, your post has given me enough confidence NOT to fear the empty table. As you said, YOU will be responsible for your own destiny of either winning or losing - however you decide to play. And one benefit of being the only player, is you can take your time, and if you believe in DI, you can practice. Put your money on either line, and shoot. If you are worried if you will make the point or not, don't put any odds down - see if you are a "good shooter" today or a "bad" shooter.

    Next time I come up to an empty Craps table, I'll start playing. I'll have to pay attention to see if this draws out any lurkers from behind the slot machines or standing back watching a table game other than Craps!!
     
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  6. Knicksboy, Oct 17, 2013

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    I don't know about anyone else but I like to play empty tables. While you can lose fast, you can also win fast without having to worry about 8 or 9 other people throwing bets all over the table and having to wait 1-2 minutes before you can roll again. Just the way I look at it.
     
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  7. VegasFan2010, Oct 17, 2013

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    Thanks for posting. I enjoyed reading this.
    I like many avoided empty tables when I started. I often play them now.
    Last time in Vegas I searched empty tables so my wife could play too, her first time playing at a casino.
    The first time she threw the dealers were very helpful. They knew she was new.
    We played from each side of the stick. She did well and had fun.
    There is no way I could have got her to play at a full table.
    I do not think she could have got such helpful attention from the crew if the table had more players.
     
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  8. jkluv7, Oct 17, 2013

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    I love playing an empty table to bet the Don'ts ... plug a few DC's, set for the 7... wash, rinse, repeat. Morally, it would not be right to do this on a full table.
    Jeffrey
     
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    I've had to be the first and only at a table three or four times. Since I like to get in and out, I never hesitate to get started. One time things worked out this way was my longest ever session at the home town casino, around 2 hours. (I sometimes will abandon the wife when on vacation and play for hours on end, but never when at home). The long session started as loner and ended with a full table, but it was constant back & forth, win one, lose one. Started to play pass and one come, win one, lose two. Play two comes, win one, lose three. Of course it ended as a losing session - I think I went home broke that time.
     
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  10. flyguyfl, Oct 17, 2013

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    Nice post Seven and full of thoughtful words.

    I plan to try an empty table this 5th of Nov in Biloxi when I introduce my wife to one early one morning. If nothing else it will get the dealers involved and I like to think they will be rooting for her. She has only played a matchplay once in Vegas so she will be interested in the action too. Now, should I bet against her and chance the wrath of a doubting husband?
     
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  11. jkluv7, Oct 17, 2013

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    Don't bet against her... bet With the dice!
    Let her hit a 6, then 8, then 4, then 9, then 10, then 5.... get the bases loaded and now, honey, throw that 7 !!!!

    Jeffrey
     
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  12. The Comeback Kid, Oct 18, 2013

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    I had a PSO at a full table yesterday at Caesar's AC.
    1st roll of the day. I'm warming up.

    As usual I spy a $25 table empty in the early afternoon (with a chick dealer).
    It doesn't get better than that.


    I started from the don’t wining 2 rolls in a row with 2 DC bets.
    Catch n' shoot - Kaching!

    Then my fortunes switched and I hit 2 points on the losing side of the don'ts.

    So I switched to the Doey, start setting them bones, and hit 3 more points and a nice abundant roll of numbers.

    Since I was shooting from the Don'ts, I thought not to fire up. Darn!

    Empty table and a 5 point fire bet - and I aren't on it. Well, just shoot me now.

    But What a Hoot!

    (I'll know next time)
     
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  13. jkluv7, Oct 18, 2013

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    Dang CBK... can't tell you how many times this has happened shooting from the Don'ts... Just flinging the dice like they're wet mud and continually hitting points, box numbers, hitting.... and no fire bet...

    There should be a club for folks like us !!

    Jeffrey
     
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  14. Pumpkin King, Oct 20, 2013

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    NOT in Wendover! They make it a point to tell you up front that dice setting is NOT allowed. Their reason.... "It slows down the game." Give me a BREAK! I've seen numerous "chicken feeders" who take more time "setting" their dice than a REAL DI guy would ever take! What a load of CRAP!
     
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  15. SevenOut, Oct 20, 2013

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    I have no problem being the first to an empty table. I prefer not having to elbow my way onto a crowded table so less is better for me. With an empty table I can settle into my spot and play at my own pace. It doesn't take long after that for the table to fill up.
     
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  18. SevenOut, Oct 22, 2013

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    We were pulling a 23 foot trailer and on our way to Hamilton, Nevada to camp at some high ground, after leaving Wyoming. We were parked over night in the Casino parking lot. No hook ups for power and so it was like staying in a Hot Dog Warmer. No wind and you could feel the humidity from the Lake as well. I am sure if you were staying in the Hotel, you would share a different experience. Next time we will just keep heading west and catch some evening cool air! Spend plenty of time in Nevada to get out of the Utah summer heat when in that area.

    You do not pull an Airstream to the Salt Flats to watch. The parking lot at the Casino had about 25% of the vehicles crusted in salt crystals. As a geologist, I understand chemistry and also had relatives living in Sandy, Utah. Just not a destination for me and would just keep going further into the desert country. But, I understand when this is the closest Casino to SLC that it is better than most have.
     
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  19. chas101, Oct 22, 2013

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    SevenOut:

    Sounds like you got some "Mormon" heritage, nothing wrong with that... I've always enjoyed visiting Sandy, Utah... even though I like "Logan" even more...

    Did you stop in "Wendover" NV. (which I thought was the closest Casino to SLC).. and is it true, in Wendover: they don't allow you to set the dice?

    Chas101
     
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  20. SevenOut, Oct 22, 2013

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    SevenOut:

    Sounds like you got some “Mormon” heritage, nothing wrong with that... I’ve always enjoyed visiting Sandy, Utah... even though I like “Logan” even more...

    Did you stop in “Wendover” NV. (which I thought was the closest Casino to SLC).. and is it true, in Wendover: they don’t allow you to set the dice?

    Chas101

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    The relatives moved to Wyoming. More snow. More guns. More motorcycle trails. More fishing. More open BLM and National Forest. More wind. But not More Mon.

    Howard Hughes trusted Mormons to handle his accounting and cash. I think he knew what he was doing!

    The first Casino on the north side of the highway with the large parking lot on the East Side is where we stopped as you cross the State Line. The lights at night in the lot were brighter than the Sun in Nevada... I think it would have been a record breaker as far as lumens in a Parking Lot! I do not even recall if I put a chip on the cloth at the Casino. I do not even remember the name of the Casino. I think I had eaten too much salt driving through the Salt Flats, dehydrated myself and just wanted to lay in the road so some trucker could put me out of my misery.

    Anyone who is heading west of Wendover. There was a AM radio station called K- HOG (KHWG 75AM) and the DJ would squeal like a pig. We drove through town, the station was the size of a Quick Trip with a big hog on the front. Winnemucca/ Fallon? I liked the Classic Country music as well.

    This area is the only place I saw a Bald Eagle sitting on the tallest bush on the desert. The bush was about 3 feet tall. The tallest piece of lumber out there were the telephone poles with Eagle nests... Great camping and played in Sparks, Nevada and $15 room. Squeallllllllling all the way... K-Hog.
     
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